Trump could have claimed credit for restricting Travel from China if...

... he had used the time to prepare for the epidemic.

Republicans will be quick to point out "well Trump banned travel from China, despite criticisms". That will be their campaign slogan, and the fact that logic is not on their side will not stop them.

But the facts paint a much grimmer picture about his performance.

The fact is that he had information from our intelligence services that he chose not to share with the public. He was informed in early January that this had the potential to become.... what it became. And chose to do nothing. Not even alert the public. Airlines were the first to take the initiative to suspend flights from China, even before Trump imposed the travel restrictions.

Restricting travel from China could have had positive impact in our response IF we had used the extra time to prepare. Trump did no such thing. He kept minimizing the threat all through February and on to mid-March when finally, after pressure from governors and health groups, he declared a national emergency.

So we gained close to nothing from the travel restrictions (which he calls a "ban"). And if it had been up to Republicans, I don't think this administration would have taken much action until much later, and only after infections had reached the seven-digit range, if it hadn't been for outside pressure. Even more evidence of lack of leadership from this President*, and yet another example of how this guy is not qualified to be anywhere near the WH.

 

Just 30 days after China notified the WHO there may be a virus problem, Trump enacted a travel ban with China. Obama never closed the southen border to essential traffic only nor did he restrict travel to Mexico, the country of Origin of the H1N1 swine flu.

 

Trump:
"I have the most deaths, they are perfect deaths."

 

Which made absolutely no difference because he didn't use the extra time to prepare to deal with it, to alert people of the danger, and to kick start a worldwide effort to develop testing, a cure and a vaccine.... like any competent President would have.

Who's Obama?

 

65 to go to beat H1N1.

 

Obama waited 6 months, did that make him an incompetent President?

 

As part of the nation’s pre-pandemic planning efforts, by April 2009 the Federal Government had purchased 50 million treatment courses of antiviral drugs – oseltamivir and zanamivir – for the SNS, and states had purchased 23 million antiviral regimens. After the determination of the public health emergency, FDA also took action to expand possible usage of antiviral drugs oseltamivir and zanamivir by issuing Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs).

Trump says try cloroquinine.

The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on April 28, 2009, less than two weeks after identification of the new pandemic virus. 2 weeks

For example, a new rapid test approved by the FDA on March 18th can produce results in 45 minutes, more than four times faster than previous tests. Another rapid test that received FDA authorization on March 26th can provide positive results in 5 minutes and negative results in 13 minutes. At least initially, these rapid tests will be used only to help triage patients in the hospital and to test healthcare workers. 2 months

On October 23rd, 2009, FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for Peramivir IV. Peramivir IV is an investigational intravenous antiviral drug used to treat people who have been hospitalized due to severe flu illness. This drug was held in the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) and distributed by CDC under an EUA. Licensed clinicians were able to request this product through the CDC website electronic request system, and product was delivered directly to hospital facilities. Also in October, HHS authorized the release of an additional 59.5 million N95 respirators.

Trump says maybe zinc would help.

On September 30, 2009, states were able to place their first orders for the 2009 H1N1 vaccine; forty-seven states placed orders on that day, and by October 9, 2009, all states and the District of Columbia had placed orders for vaccine. The first doses were administered on October 5, 2009.

As vaccine supply increased, by late November and early December most states had begun easing restrictions for 2009 H1N1 vaccine use, and by late December vaccination had been opened up to anyone who wanted it.

Trump says check back in 18 months.

 

.....and not a single link to any of it.

We first heard about the H1N1 virus in April of 2009, Obama didn't declare a National Emergency until October 24th, 2009. He failed to ban travel to Mexico and didn't shut the border to all but essential traffic 12,000 people died.

April 29,2009......



Compared to Obama's "monitoring" the situation, Trump's response was lightening fast.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-obama-idUSTRE59N19E20091024

 

Actions speak louder than declarations.

I was kind of waiting for that because I knew you would never look for yourself.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

If Trump could make a speech like that, the market would still be at 28,000.

Try a but Hilary.. Maybe that would work.

 

Nothing you can say changes this........

He failed to ban travel to Mexico and didn't shut the border to all but essential traffic 12,000 people died.

 

What makes you think he needed to close the border?
Do you have some studies or something?

 

Chilling! Now we know what would have likely happened if Trump had been President* in 2009

 

No! But who's Obama? This thread is about Trump. Regardless of what this O'Bama guy or gal (whoever he/she is) did or didn't do, Trump has been an absolute incompetent in not dealing with a this crisis. Once we agree on that obvious fact, then you can change the subject. But changing the subject to avoid reality is not something I'm interested in helping you do.

 

The swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus that appeared in 2009 and was first found in human beings in Mexico, is a reassortant with at least three parents.

Uh maybe because the H1N1 originated in Veracruz Mexico. The Swine Flu was milder than Corona, so a simple matter of halting travel and restricting border traffic to essential would most likely kept the death toll under 12,000.

 

If Trump was President in 2009 He would have banned travel to Mexico and shut the border to all but essential traffic. 12,000 people died due to that failure from Obama/Biden.

 

Naw. They had about the same rate we did. Made no difference.

 

Lesson #2: Definition of Juxtaposition:

the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side often to compare or contrast or to create an interesting effect

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/juxtaposition

I learned this in the 8th Grade.

 

Yeah... multiply that by at least 100 if Trump had been President* He would have shut down the border, and then sat back while the virus spread all over the country like this one because, as it turned out, the strain that affected the U.S. was more similar to the strain that was present in pigs in the U.S. since 1999 than the strain that was originally discovered in Mexico.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...nd-mexico-may-go-pandemic/?ignored=irrelevant

 

"Interesting" ... I don't see any interest whatsoever. Obviously, if there are more people to get infected, more people could get infected. But that has nothing to do with the fact that Trump did not prepare for it or handled it in any form that could, even loosely, be called "competent". Potentially we could have had less people infected than other countries.... we don't!

The comparison based on population is foolish.

 

While your speculation is amusing, it's not born from facts but hatred of Trump.

 

You got your PHD where? Maybe I can make it easier for ya....

If you have a dollar in dimes and lose one leaving you with $.90 cents, you lost 10% of the money you had in your pocket. Now, you have $100,000 in cash ($100 bills), you lose one $100 bill, how much of your money by percentage did you lose?

 

My "speculation", as you call it, is based on facts obtained by researching, as my sig indicates, and supported by the many links I have sent throughout this discussion. While you, on the other hand, have provided exactly..... let me count..... hrmmmm rhrmm...oh ZERO references for a single word of your ... "arguments"

So, to summarize, me=references you=no references....Looks like, my case is made.

Thanks for playing....

 

I understand why simple research on a topic could look like a PhD to somebody who has no clue how to research what they say, because they just repeat what they hear on their wingnut media.

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...s-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

Here's the time line of actions , it's too long to post here. Your list seems to be cherry-picked.