Trump has pardoned former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    No. It means there will be no punishment affixed to an unjust ruling. It does not justify the ruling. If anything, it leaves the Judges ruling looking like a toothless mute, a testimony against the Judge.
     
  2. Voltamp

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    Oh they certainly did, you can watch the video of their findings if you like.

    Or just roll your eyes and say "birthers"
     
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    Read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States
    "Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915),[1] was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that:

    • A pardoned person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings, otherwise the pardon must be disregarded by the court.
    • To do this, the pardoned person must accept the pardon. If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon its subject.
    A pardon is an act of grace, proceeding from the power entrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed. It is the private though official act of the executive magistrate, delivered to the individual for whose benefit it is intended. A private deed, not communicated to him, whatever may be its character, whether a pardon or release, is totally unknown and cannot be acted on."
     
  4. Voltamp

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    Not true. You don't know law and you don't know economics.

    Hint, it's a state by state issue.
     
  5. Voltamp

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    Watch the video and prove it wrong.

    These are people who are far, far, far more credible than Rahl, netizen who is constantly proven wrong.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    So Sheriff Arpaio was convicted of criminal contempt of court...Clinton was convicted of perjury yet never spent a day in jail and remained President.

    By the end of his presidency on January 20, 2017, Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"[1]—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1,715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.[2] Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,[3] and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the War on Drugs.[4]

    Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office.[5][6] He also has issued more commutations than the past thirteen presidents combined.[2][7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama

    So save your fake outrage for those that give a sh*t.
     
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  7. rahl

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    I know both, far better than you. It's why he was convicted.
    Nope. The 4th and 14th amendments apply in every state.
     
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    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying that Rivera isn't a terrorist or the fact he was let out of jail early isn't a pardon? Semantics. Barry by letting a terrorist out of prison is in FACT a terrorist sympathizer.
     
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    Ok. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hawaii-confirms-obamas-birthplace-again/

    I have been proven wrong in a lot of things. You have never done so, and this is most certainly not something I can be proven wrong about. The BC is not fake, nor has it ever been declared as such by any expert. It has been confirmed as authentic by the highest legal authority regarding vital records. The Hawaii department of health.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hawaii-confirms-obamas-birthplace-again/

    Birthers are ****ing retarded.
     
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    Hahahahahahaha, OK. Might want to meander over to his Wikipedia page to see the despicable smorgasbord of crap he's done.
     
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    Do people with convictions for gun crimes also fall under the purview of violating the civil rights of those persons victims? Well barry pardoned gun criminals while talking out the other side of his yap about gun control.

    "Richard Reid was already a two-time felon when authorities searched his Delaware apartment and found marijuana, crack cocaine divided into sales-size plastic bags, powder cocaine, a scale — and a loaded .32 caliber handgun, an unloaded .25 caliber pistol and ammunition for two other types of weapons.

    Last week, President Obama commuted Reid’s 25-year sentence and made him one of the hundreds of drug users and dealers who the White House says have done enough time.

    But at the same time, Mr. Obama forgave scores of gun crimes convictions for the offenders, raising thorny questions about whether the White House is serious about keeping guns out of “the wrong hands” — a refrain of the Obama administration in the wake of mass shootings.


    Mr. Obama forgave six of Reid’s gun crimes, in addition to the drug trafficking and possession offenses for which he was convicted in 2007.

    He is one of 107 federal inmates who have had gun crimes convictions pardoned or sentences commuted during this administration, including a number who used firearms while dealing drugs or who carried them despite having felonies on their records. Still others were caught lying to gun dealers or carrying weapons with the registration numbers filed off — suggesting an even deeper level of gun crime.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/9/obamas-forgiveness-of-gun-crimes-amid-push-for-con/
     
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    It wasn't the DOJ that issued the injunction. I've seen about five posters, at least, in this thread spouting off false facts about the case.
     
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    If that were the case then Arpaio wouldn't have been charged with the crime that he did. What he should have done, if he didn't agree with the judges orders, was to have used the judicial system up to and including the SCOTUS but he chose to ignore the judges ruling blaming it on bad advice from his attorney's which the courts didn't buy. Either way, he admitted that he was wrong; as a law enforcement officer he committed a cardinal sin by his actions which reflected discredit upon law enforcement in general.
     
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    Oh but yours does lol ok. At least I know what I am talking about.
     
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    No, A judge turned a perfectly law abiding sheriff into a criminal by demanding he not do his job and enforce law with a stroke of his pen and a phone......

    Since this is a County issue and citizens voted for the Sheriff repeatedly and for many years to do his job it appears to me that the people got what they wanted. The Prog Judge took his cue from the DOJ and POTUS to railroad the Sheriff. Many local/National citizens pleaded with the current POTUS to turn that wrong into a right.

    I can/will not convince myself that all the citizens who voted for him are racist as I also do not believe the sheriff himself is racist. This was the federal government via the DOJ trying to bring an elected official to his knees and at minimum a abuse of power.
     
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    "Gun-related crimes" ???

    Sounds like a PC way to say some of them had guns (and in the domain they're in, I can't say I blame them), but did no harm whatsoever with them. Am I right?

    Are you against the 2nd amendement?
     
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    Your post proves otherwise:

    EMTdaniel86 said:
    A court order that the judge had no authority to issue. Again how does a judge tell LEO not to enforce a law? It doesn't work that way.
     
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    Trump shouldn't have pardonned Arpaio. Trump should've fired the judge for bias and violating the law, and then pushed for an exoneration of Arpaio. The judge convicted and sentenced Arpaio without a jury (counter to Arpaio's constitutionally excercised demand for one) based on a local statute that was not applicable to Arpaios case. A jury would've most likely found an innocent verdict based solely on the vagueness and confusing language of the hastily written original order that Arpaio 'violated.'

    This was a lazy, milktoast copout on Trumps part, imo.

    ...but better than allowing Arpaio to be railroaded, better by a longshot.
     
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    Oh look, an argument for allowing drug dealers and criminals to have guns.

    I don't even know where to start with that idiocy.

    It's ok though, at least a number of the people Obama released are already dead or back in jail.
     
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    The second amendment does not apply to those who have already been convicted of felony offenses, or are in possession of firearms while committing other crimes.
     
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    Which immigration law exactly did he ignore?
     
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    No, Trump pardoned him to appeal to his racist base.
     
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    Bull****
     
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    No evidence to support that he would have gone to jail before his appeal was heard. And there is no evidence that the conviction was improper. IF Arpaio had actually been going to serve time befor his appeals were exhausted Trump could have pardoned him before any jail time was served. Trump just pulled a stunt to appeal to his base.
     

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