Trump has reportedly commuted the prison sentence of the former Republican strategist Roger Stone

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    Meanwhile liberals everywhere...

     
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    what rules did he change?
     
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    haha ... stunad he is. just shaved a few more points off his approval rating. stone got some serious dirt on donnie.
     
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    Clinton pardon Puerto Rician terrorists so that his wife can get extra votes in NY where she was running for senator. As you can see this is part of our problems today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
     
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    if he is not even indicted then he isn’t a criminal

    how is he abusing his power by pardoning and commuting sentences?
     
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    off topic whataboutism

    By this criteria there is no standard
     
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    The media doesn't direct the narrative of the conversation.
     
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    All you have to do here is look at them with a frown and they run to the mods and the mods send you a warning and delete your posts. They're coddled more than hipsters in mom's basement.
     
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    You mean Trump has become Barack Obama? Ouch!
     
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    Once again a whataboutism

    it does NOT matter who did what in the past - the question of “is this acceptable MUST be reviewed each and every time or there will be no rules
     
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    You mean like spying on Trump and launching an investigation when you already know that a dossier is a piece of Dem Party contracted and paid for Russian disinformation? That sort of corrupt?
     
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    He never rigged the election. He just authorizes the GRU and others in Russia to disseminate disinformation and conduct other "active measures" to radicalize Americans (left and right) and disrupt our society and politics. In 2015-16, a significant part of that effort was focused on harming Hillary Clinton and helping Donald Trump in the election, and these efforts included hacking and dumping of emails through WikiLeaks, something Roger Stone seems to have been somewhat involved in since he has foreknowledge and conveyed that information to Trump, who of course did not call the FBI, but welcomed such foreign interference on his behalf.
     
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    Trump started wearing mom jeans?
     
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    Of course, there was no "spying on Trump" at all. That is a falsehood used by Trump to deflect from the facts and help create an alternative narrative that suits him.

    The dossier was oppo research and had very little to do FBI investigations into Russian meddling and Trump's apparent coordination with the Russians in their efforts to help him win the election.
     
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    what needs to be reviewed? what rule was broke?
     
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    So Putin fooled you and you blame Trump?
     
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    Conflict of interest, of course. He is a suspect at this point, aka Individual 1. He will be indicted once he leaves office in 2021 at the latest.
     
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    You do realize Bill Clinton hasn't been president for 20 years? Also, why would Puerto "Rician" terrorists have the right to vote in NY??

    By Mail??

    :roflol::roflol:

     
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    So you just want to ignore the facts because they're inconvenient to you.

    https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the...resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

    The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity
    • The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
    • Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.
    • A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.

    Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016
    • Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]
    • Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]
    • Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]


    The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”
    • In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
    • Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
    • Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
    • The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
    • The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
    • The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]


    Special Counsel Mueller declined to exonerate President Trump and instead detailed multiple episodes in which he engaged in obstructive conduct
    • The Mueller Report states that if the Special Counsel’s Office felt they could clear the president of wrongdoing, they would have said so. Instead, the Report explicitly states that it “does not exonerate” the President[10] and explains that the Office of Special Counsel “accepted” the Department of Justice policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted.[11]
    • The Mueller report details multiple episodes in which there is evidence that the President obstructed justice. The pattern of conduct and the manner in which the President sought to impede investigations—including through one-on-one meetings with senior officials—is damning to the President.
    • Five episodes of obstructive conduct stand out as being particularly serious:
      • In June 2017 President Trump directed White House Counsel Don McGahn to order the firing of the Special Counsel after press reports that Mueller was investigating the President for obstruction of justice;[12] months later Trump asked McGahn to falsely refute press accounts reporting this directive and create a false paper record on this issue – all of which McGahn refused to do.[13]
      • After National Security Advisor Michael Flynn was fired in February 2017 for lying to FBI investigators about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, Trump cleared his office for a one-on-one meeting with then-FBI Director James Comey and asked Comey to “let [Flynn] go;” he also asked then-Deputy National Security Advisor K.T. McFarland to draft an internal memo saying Trump did not direct Flynn to call Kislyak, which McFarland did not do because she did not know whether that was true.[14]
      • In July 2017, the President directed former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to instruct the Attorney General to limit Mueller’s investigation, a step the Report asserted “was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”[15]
      • In 2017 and 2018, the President asked the Attorney General to “un-recuse” himself from the Mueller inquiry, actions from which a “reasonable inference” could be made that “the President believed that an unrecused Attorney General would play a protective role and could shield the President from the ongoing Russia Investigation.”[16]
      • The Report raises questions about whether the President, by and through his private attorneys, floated the possibility of pardons for the purpose of influencing the cooperation of Flynn, Manafort, and an unnamed person with law enforcement.[17]
     
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    There comes a point where further discussion is pointless
     
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    individual one doesn’t make him a suspect and if they had evidence they would have recommended that much and he’d be impeached

    he will ir be indicted

    what conflict of interest? he can pardon whoever he wants or commute their sentence
     
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    Russians!!!

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    what am i denying? what rule?
     

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