Trump has suggested a workable and novel way to help Ukraine. Let's consider it

Trump has suggested a workable and novel way to help Ukraine. Let's consider it

Now this is interesting. Trump thinks to get Ukraine aid passed through the House we need to convert those funds from a free give-a-way into a no-interest loan. This is actually a good idea. Those who said that Trump is only in the presidential race to have power are going to find their arguments are silly right now. Trump can be very presidential and come up with good and fair solutions to major foreign policy problems.

 

Kind of a lend lease thing then.

But part of any aid, no matter what form it takes or how much needs to include the REAL AND COMPLETE story of Ukraines involvement in our election/politics.

 

What does Ukraine have that we can repossess in case they lose the war?

 

You believe anything he says? Ask the thousands of people who have listened to him and ended up poorer while he grew richer. I have no idea why people do not understand the man. Read his life story. That is the man you would trust as POTUS? The 'Christian' South members who support him while practising their religion. Really. And no, I don't support either Trump or Biden. I am someone who has followed US politics from across the Atlantic. You need to wake up to reality. Trump will destroy the Democratic US. You need to get rid of both old age pensioners for someone younger.

Tin Hat on.

 

I think Congress would pass aid for Ukraine if Democrats got serious about the border problem. In fact, they could just pass the House border bill and Ukraine would have their aid. But, Democrats are not serious about a border bill.

 

Will this be a change in US policy that applies to all foreign military aid or just to Ukraine?

 

Once Trump is back in power....
the war between Russia and the Ukraine will soon be over.....
and The Ukraine is all set up to become a major breadbasket to the entire world.... including America... because America has a lot of work to do to get rid of GMO seeds and infrastructure that was a total waste of money and effort.

 

Territory. They can put up some western provinces as collateral.

 

Ukraine should definitely offer something in return if it is helped. I wonder though if there's a more sophisticated way to do that then 'owing money'.

 

Interesting. We could later flip them at a profit to Hungary and Poland who fairly recently controlled them.

 

It's funny you should say that. I know for a fact that Ukrainian truckers are going over the border into the EU and undercutting the local truckers who need to charge more for the same service. This doesn't help the United States directly but it could be added as a condition to Ukraine's payment to help our allies in Europe.

 

Votes. There are lots of neo Nazis in western provinces that would love to vote for Biden.

I hope nobody actually makes Ukrainians honorary citizens who have the vote,
and collects ballots from western Ukraine because they will vote Biden, for
pallet loads of 100 dollar bills.

 

Our trucking industry has been white dominated in Australia and now we're having Pakistani immigrants who are infiltrating. Anecdotally my ex works in insurance, and they cut a hole in the bottom of the cabin and shat through it onto the engine so that they didn't need to stop the truck.

Needless to say any kind of civilized Australian can't compete with that kind of animalistic competition.

 

Democrats pushed to sign the border bill championed by a Republican.

It was the Republican Trump TOADIES who killed that bill - probably the harshest immigration bill in American history.

Trump is NOT interested in policy. And, he has NEVER considered his promises as worth a hot damn - including when made to Republicans.

 

Let's be serious.

 

That's just it. That ONE Republican was not authorized to speak for ALL Republicans.

 

The situation with truckers is caused by the war. The EU waived the requirement for Ukrainians to get haulage permits when Russia invaded in 2022, because that caused other/usual routes to be blocked, and more goods needing to be transported, etc. It's primarily affected Polish truck drivers.

 

No. Trump's suggestion is only a tiny bit less crazy than what Bidden is doing.
In umpteen years even if it isn't forgotten which is most likely, the debt Kyiv
will have run up will by inflation, be a tiny fraction of the amount borrowed.

But the existing Kyiv government will be gone so no debt will be repaid.

 

Both the Russian Federation and Ukraine have asked to be admitted
to NATO. Why are we supporting Ukraine in a war and not Russia?

Anyone who has 10 minutes to investigate it will find it was the US
implementing the Maidan Uprising and subsequently supplying weapons
that started the war in Ukraine, and that when Russia moved forces
in on Feb 24th 2022 it was far from 'unprovoked' and 'unjustified'.

But people just have to follow their first hunch about the war how ever
wrong it turns out to be.

 

Motive: money, the weapons makers (defense industry) loves
to cause wars because that generates sales, more money.

We can't side with Russia because they make their own weapons,
so we side with Ukraine which doesn't, and Uncle Sam is the
world's biggest weapons buyer, so just run up the national debt
some more.

Money!

 

Well just dollars then.

 

He worked with Republican and Democratic Senators to get a bill that would pass in the Senate as well as the House.

It was a team effort that crossed party lines.

 

It was a small handful of Republicans, who don't speak for every Republican.

 

I don't accept that version of events in Ukraine. The Ukraine parliament had overwhelmingly voted to sign the EU-Ukraine Association agreement. On his own, the president then decided to switch to reject the EU and form closer ties to Russia.

You can see today that Ukraine is not interested in being conquered by Russia. And your reference to the time when Russia wanted to be admitted ignores the fact that NATO is a defense pact in place due to threats from Russia.

In this attack on Ukraine, how would Russian NATO membership have helped? NATO existed to prevent such attacks.

UN nations do not accept the idea that a country can expand by conquering neighboring countries. It's written in the charter every member has signed. This is true for NATO as well.

This move by Russia to subsume Ukraine is not the only Eastern European country that they want to subsume. Are you suggesting that Russia should be allowed to conquer whomever it wants to conquer? Do you have some line in mind?

As for NATO membership, there are requirements for a country to join NATO. I don't know the specific reasons Ukraine was not previously admitted, but I would strongly suspect that President Yanukovych was a major factor, given his political moves.

 

Our foreign policy can not be calculated based on what is cheaper.

We stand for principles laid out in our founding documents, our major contribution to the UN charter, and that of NATO.

We repeatedly claim these principles. We claim rule of law and right to representation.

It's a pretty big switch to say that we stand for whatever is cheap.