Trump: If President, I'll Deport *All* Undocumented Immigrants

Trump cannot deport all illegal immigrants. The political will isn't there on either side, it's logistically impossible and cost prohibitive. He's relying on people who are a) unable to work out the aforementioned by themselves and b) who are also racists to support him. It worked, for that small group of people. The vast majority of Republicans who are neither stupid nor racist hate his guts.

 

When Trump says all, he means all his admin comes into contact with. How does racism play into your inanity?

 

I referred to the last SCOTUS decision on another (and hopefully final) of the bogus cases brought by the right wingers that sought to deny lower income citizens the benefit of assistance because their states refused set up their own exchanges.

What the WKA decision did was to settle, once and for all, what the 14th Amendment meant in regards to who was/wasn't a citizen. It has been settled law since 1898. Essentially, it doesn't matter who your mother is, where she came from, how she got here (legally or illegally) - but if she gave birth to you here - YOU are considered a citizen of this country. If you wish to fully display your ignorance about this issue, please feel free to "educate" all of us. Hell, I can always use a good laugh, but really, it's almost like laughing at a cripple who falls off his crutches and I'd feel a bit guilty about it. But not for long.

 

Please go read the Declaration of Independence. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents...e-declaration-of-independence-july-4-1776.php

I have posted part of it below:

When one studies Political Science, as I have, you learn about "Legitimacy of Authority". What are the legitimate powers of Government ?

In a nutshell - Individual rights and freedoms are supposed to be "ABOVE" the legitimate power of the state. (State in this case means government or nation state)

Further, the powers of the State are to be very limited, extending only acts which are injurious to others.

Further, the powers of the State are granted by "We the People" through something known as the Social Contract.

The question then is not about picking and choosing. The question is whether the law in question is legitimate or not.

To even enter in to the discussion one must first understand what the legitimate powers of Government are as laid out by the constitution.

When wanders into this territory one quickly realizes how far off the path laid down by the founders our Government has strayed.

Whether you agree with this or not is not the issue. The fact of the matter is that the Government today acts well beyond its legitimate authority by trampling on individual rights and freedoms.

This did not happen overnight. This was a long process of slow erosion as a function of the Government trying to exert more and more control over the citizens over time.

 

Why? Just skip to the good part:

The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative..

 

Both his parents were Residents. This is not the same as crossing over the border and popping out a kid.

 

The expansion of the police state that would be necessary to implement the Trump plan ... is exactly what the Trump fans here want. An authoritarian state is the goal of the Trump fans.

 

Sweden and other supposedly liberal countries regularly deport illegal immigrant children.

 

Interesting. Is strict enforcement of legitimately promulgated law the halmark of a police state or is the selective enforcement more tyrannical?

Cheers
Labour

 

OK, so.... The ACA was deemed unconstitutional unless it was a tax, something the admin claimed it wasn't until it was.

It did no such thing. The decision merely settled that WKA was born a citizen due to the fact that his parents were here with the authorization of the US Govt, and by that authorization, his parents were legally domiciled here and resident here, therefor he was born a citizen.

For certain classes of persons that are born to persons whose parents are legally domiciled and resident in the US, I agree. However, not for all classes of persons, i.e. children born to persons that are not legally domiciled and resident here.

You are merely assumed to be a citizen until you hold a US Passport issued by the US Govt declaring you to be a US Citizen.

Be careful what you wish for, you have yet to dispute anything I have stated or shown from Justice Gray and the WKA decision. Please feel free to quote any portion you believe grants BRC to children born to illegals. Some how I have the feeling you can't.

Then put your mouth to keyboard and enlighten everybody so that I can take your guilt away and show just how inept you truly are when it comes to BRC and the WKA decision.

 

Honestly I don't know why he's bothering. I agree the border should be defended. It's a border. Not complicated.

But shutting it down is good enough. No need to deport people. What's the point?

 

Not deporting encourages more to come, since there will be no consequences to their actions.

 

Trump is a good salesman; but all he seems to do is generalize without any real specifics. People really need to know exactly how he will accomplish his stated goals. I don't trust him in general, but in fairness I'm willing to listen if he has a specific plan that is viable and within the constitution bounds.

 

His wall will keep them out. That's discouragement enough.

 

I believe whatever is best for the American people should done. If not deportation then look at a way for these illegals to have a legal status while getting them to pay a fee. If we can get some cash out of it that would be great.

 

So, what does that say about the Cons? And what does that say to your ringing endorsement of them allowing companies to continue to rip off American Workers/citizens and to continue to allowing our poor to horde on limited government resources?

 

Well in my Country, immigration is very cash orientated. I'm not sure if it makes a difference though. The problem is many politicians like to "squeeze" people for cash. Craming people in like sardines works for that.

I think, in terms of quality of life, it's not really important to get immigrants to pay their way in, but for sustainable infrastructure be put in placd to accommodate them.

About five years ago I was shocked to hear about deportation, then I warmed to the idea. Now I've come full circle, and I just can't cope with that kind of draconian action. It's not head in the sand like my attitude towards PP but a considered approach. Housing, sewage and hospitals doesn't have to be so complicated.

 

I'd say that most intelligent cons aren't right-wing racist bigots who don't even realize how much immigrants have contributed to our country, including those who came illegally.
I think that immigrants who are smart and hardy and persistent enough to actually make it to the US under very difficult conditions have a lot more grit and potential than the spoiled, overweight, ignorant natives who carp about them taking jobs that nobody else is willing to do.

 

Just a helpful hint- the word is independent. The word independant doesn't mean anything.

 

An inactive member is using that name. Ok?

Are you trying to bore everyone to death with your debate?

 

Yes, the immigration process in the US is cash oriented. I know because I have seen it first hand. There are "fees" that have to be paid at every turn. Just as it would cost money to deport it would cost money to process them in. They should pay and probably would be glad to do so. Many pay a "coyote" to smuggle them in and usually it is very expensive. I have been told it was as high as $8000. Another way these illegals are being exploited.

Either way it will cost and is costing money. It is ridiculous to allow it to continue. The arguments for amnesty and leaving the border open are ridiculous. Sometimes doing the right thing isn't cheap.

 

Or irony will be too, if the wall will be modernized by construction companies who hire such "Alliens" ...

 

Let me re-state for you and Liquid Reigns the judgment of the court which is about as clear and unequivocal as it can be:

The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative..

If, as either of you assert, there must be other conditions required for citizenship to be conferred (like being a legal resident, or otherwise in this country legally), then your argument is not with me, but with Congress and the Supreme Court. The plain English of the decision makes that crystal clear.

I will also point out that there are a lot of very smart people on the Republican side who'd love to use this your reasoning in order to strip current citizens of their citizenship rights because neither momma nor daddy were here legally. But they can't and they're smart enough to know it.

Dance around this all you want, call me any names you like, or try to wing off into la-la land by some rather pathetic attempts at misdirection - do all of that and it changes nothing. Those kids, born to illegals on U.S. soil, are citizens and until WKA can be overturned or another Constitutional amendment can be passed, those newborns will be official U.S. citizens.

 

I'm for sure no agricultural specialist, but I know that for several things is still no mechanical harvesting possible and so people are necessary ... many people and cheap people.
I will not deny that legal working immigrants are working too, but are you aware of the huge number of illegal immigrants working there too? Did you really ignore the reports about?
Point is that this area is something where no serious politician is willing to put his finger in, as well close responsible institutions both eyes too about if it runs in normal silence way. Legal immigrants are often too expensive for the farmers to be competitive and writing black digits!