Trump Is Now Openly Begging Debate Moderators Not To Fact Check Him

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    His entire campaign is a circus of lies and half truths. He is totally dependent on the stupidity of an audience that doesn't read much, doesn't know much, and responds to chest beating and fearmongering.

    And bigotry.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And therefore no such thing as a lie? Trump and the entirety of the Republican Party owe Hillary a BIG time apology.
     
  3. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not just bigots don't forget homophobes, Islamaphobes, misogynists, and worst of all Republicans.
     
  4. TomFitz

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    That is a lie. Of course, it's the kind of lie that serves the purposes of professional liars and the irresponsible morons who follow con men like Trump.

    In another post, you blame the listener, and bellow that they should "take responsibility for their own ignorance".

    You don't do that.

    After over a year of watching Trumpster bellow lies, dismiss facts and advertise their own ignorance, I have yet to see a Trump supporter do that.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So, you are that certain that all of Trump's positions will be based on lies? and you believe he should get away with whatever lies he tells? I want to see BOTH debaters challenged on lies, WHY are you so against that? What are you afraid of?
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    Funny that the left is begging for another Candy Crowley incident.
     
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    If debate moderators fact checked, Trump would get his ass handed to him.

    The poor idiot doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground, and his only chance at winning is if the average IQ of the voting public drops to around 85.
     
  8. lemmiwinx

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    I like to make up my own mind about who's lying to me the worse. I was listening to NPR news the other day and a so called reporter said Donald Trump "falsely accused" Mrs. Clinton of something or other. That's fact checking the news as you report it,
     
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    ????

    I would expect the moderator to challenge either candidate if they came out with a lie. In the example I gave, I would certainly expect the moderator to challenge / correct Clinton if she claimed not to have used a private email server. Just as I would expect the moderator to challenge / correct Trump if he says he was against going into Iraq from the outset.

    The difference - as shown in another thread - is that Trump lies as a matter of course during his speeches. If he doesn't do that in the debates I would expect him to go unchallenged. If he does it, he should expect to be called on it. As Clinton should if she does it.
     
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    love seeing the libs admit that thier candidate is too weak and ineffectual to debate Trump on their own. Maybe they should put up 7 or 8 podiums on the stage and have him debate her entire team and the moderator

    duties of a debate moderator

    http://peopleof.oureverydaylife.com/moderator-duties-debate-11746.html

    no where do I see anythintg about fact checking


    BTW Crowley was wrong about the facts when she "corrected" Romney, so who will fact check Holt if he decides to trash his career like crowley did
     
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    Trump to "fact checker": "American journalists are caught too often publishing blatant fraud, even winning Pulitzers for it, to be credible fact checkers. You are here to moderate this debate not to serve as a crutch for Mrs. Clinton." :)
     
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    Public complains about lying politicians... public decries & spins suggestion of fact-checking at presidential debates. Partisanship 101, folks.
     
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    I do not consider myself a "lib" - not by a long shot.

    One could equally say: "love seeing Trump supporters admit that their candidate is too weak and ineffectual to debate without lying his socks off"
     
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    You are all making the obvious mistake of believing Trump is lying which would imply he actually knows the true facts and is deliberatly making a missstatement. I believe that the real truth is he doesn't at this point in his life have enough actual intelligence or memory to actually remember any facts so he just makes them up rather than just admit he doesn't know.
     
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    I think Lester Holt is a real journalist unlike some others I could name. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what he has in his quiver.
     
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    Given that both the RP and DP establishment hate Trump's guts I would expect Holt to pull a Crawley. But journalists are now very exposed to a hard counter punch. If he gives Trump an opening to knock down his credibility, and by extension the credibility of the MSM it will be a win win for Trump.

    The smart move for Holt is careful professional neutrality - much more fun to watch if he takes sides.
     
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    maybe they should get Bill O'Riley to do the fact checking and let Holt moderate. I am sure that would be acceptable to all
     
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    There is no way to impartially fact check political claims. For instance, how do you fact check "you can keep your doctor?" By blindly repeating the talking points of whichever side you agree with. Which, given we're talking about journalism majors, is almost always the left.

    Which is sort of the point.

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    Of course there are lies, but it should be left to the viewer to separate truth from fact unencumbered by the opinion of a typically far left journalism major.

    Who will fact check the fact checkers?
     
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    So, if Hillary said that she did not use a private server for email while at the state department, the moderator should just let that slide?
     
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    Yes. The moderator should offer up questions from the audience, keep time, and let each candidate know when it's their turn to speak. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    Bill's a funny guy.
     
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    With Trump it will be oncidents (plural).

    Yes, a debate moderator's job includes curbing the behavior of the debaters.
     
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    Only if the go over their time or interrupt.
     
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    You're mostly right. The issue the people had was that she seemed to show personal feelings of agreeing with one candidate, and disagreeing with another. That's where she went over the line.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffber...-to-when-my-children-were-young/#fc973d923d1d

    She merely showed signs of bias when a moderator is supposed to be neutral. I guess she didn't really break any rules.
     

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