Trump Leaves Office with a 51% Approval Rating

Hillary by a landslide!

 

2016 national polling average was very accurate, and within 1.2 points of actual outcome. National opinion = Popular vote. Rassmussens sometimes gets GE right, but got 2018 very wrong. They have a poor overall rating, and their methodology is flawed (I can go into detail on this if you want, with articles).

Trump is the most unpopular president in history. All the data shows this, or something very very close to it.

 

That usually goes hand-in-hand with the Historical DISGRACE of being Twice Impeached.

 

I know. It's a joke. That's all I heard when Trump's negative polls were posted here.

 

Ahh sorry. Hard to tell who is being satirical or not around here or rest of the internet after the age of Trump.

 

Heh no worries. I've had that problem a time or two myself.

 

I keep hearing that, but the average of a group of mostly liberally biased polls is still going to be a liberally biased poll, with Rasmussen being about the only reliable one in the bunch.

 

In what planet is Rasmussen the most reliable, historically they get it the most wrong out of the top pollsters that have Trump as one of the least liked POTUS in history.

Pollster Ratings | FiveThirtyEight
PolitiFact | Donald Trump tweet on 50% approval cherry-picks polling data

I'll trust multiple better pollsters that all show otherwise. It matches with Trump's very poor 2020 performance.

 

Polls are always skewed simply from selected sources.. I have been polled numerous times and when asked and replied "Republican" the polling person disconnects..

Believe whatever floats your boat bro..

 

I'm going to believe the ones with a higher accuracy rating and solid methodology. Most of them have Trump as gutter trash. Too much data to ignore.

 

You should if it makes you feel whole.. I don't trust a poll, like I said, to many times I have been hung up on when I tell them what party I align with ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

The world is not an honest place..

 

Seems everybody is dumping on Trump these days!!!

https://news.yahoo.com/total-failure-proud-boys-now-130740495.html
But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel Monday.

 

You certainly have that option of choosing whichever one you want for whatever reason you have. As for approval, perhaps the election results are the best indicator of how the general American public approved of Trump or his popularity. 2018 Midterms, the Democratic congressional candidates received 53.4% of the total vote to the Republicans 44.8. The GOP lost 42 seats. The 2020 presidential, Biden 51.3%, trump 46.9% with Biden receiving 7 plus million more votes.

So how popular is Trump now, I don't think it means much if anything. Let's wait 20 years to see how historians rate and rank Trump. Historians state it takes 20 years after a president leaves office to see how his policies effected this country in the long term. It also gives it time for the partisanship to die down some although it never goes away.

Another interesting stat, Trump received 46.9% of the vote, Republican congressional candidates at last look received 48.1%. Which simply means there were a bunch of ticket splitters who voted for Biden for president, then Republican down ballot allowing the GOP to pick up 13 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a governorship.

 

Another way to look at it is that the better down-ballot vote for congressional Republicans vs. Trump himself is a result of the election fraud against Trump that didn't filter down to the congressional votes.

As for the overall vote, an irrational electorate is going to vote in irrational ways; and yes, I think the 2020 electorate was a very irrational one; built on unbridled support on one side, and unbridled hate on the other side; and unfortunately, unbridled hate won in 2020; and when hate wins, we all lose.

 

On planet earth, that's where. Oh, and by the way, 538 lost its credibility in 2016, so you're relying upon an unreliable source for your information. Also, you seem to be looking at congressional races, Rasmussen is known for their long-term accuracy on presidential races.

 

I look at independents as history has showed on average 92% of those who are Republicans and Democrats will vote for their party's candidate regardless of who he is. Independents are all over the place, they switch back and forth. Trump won them by 4 points in 2016, lost them by 13 points in 2020

So why the big switch? Independents policy wise were fairly evenly split, for some, against some, indifferent to the rest. So it wasn't policy that made that huge 17 point swing. Then perhaps you're correct, they were irrational in your mind. Independents, quite a lot of them, put politics, policy and stances on issues on the backseat or ignored them. What I think happened was after four years of Trump's, shall I say his unique personality, his childish antics like name calling and throwing temper tantrums and his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactic grating on them. They simply said enough already. Biden came across as the adult in the room and that was what at least 54% of independents were looking for. Trump's rude personality, his very unpresidential behavior lost the election for him, not his politics. Exit polls show some of this.

I firmly believe that if Trump had the personality of a Reagan, of a Bill Clinton or even an Obama, he would have won reelection easily. Especially over a old, bland candidate that didn't really inspire anyone to get out and vote for him. It was actually Trump who inspired those folks to get out and vote against him, not necessarily for Biden. 71% of Americans voted for a candidate because they wanted that candidate to win, Trump won this group 53-46 over Biden. But 24% of all Americans voted for a candidate only because they were against his opponent. Strongly against, Biden won this group 68-30. Simply put, Biden won because there were a lot more voters strongly against Trump, more than double, than strongly against Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

In the end, Trump lost the independent vote by a huge margin not by what he did and didn't do as president, he lost it because a majority of independents could stand the way he acted or behaved.

 

I would conclude by saying that an electorate that puts more emphasis on personality than it does on policy is going to give us some pretty bad policy outcomes, and I fear that's what we're going to be seeing over the next 4 years; some really bad policies.

 

How about we take any the pollsters who had Clinton beating Trump and toss their results.

Seems fair. Then average it.

 

Be that as it may. Election are nothing more than beauty contests to quite a lot of independents who vote for candidates they like and against candidates they dislike. A charismatic candidate always wins over a non-charismatic one. It's like Republicans and Democrats voting for the letter behind the name and not for the candidates.

Think about it, 1980 a very charismatic Reagan over a not so charismatic Carter, same in 1984, charismatic Reagan against a zero charismatic candidate in Mondale. 1988 neither Bush nor Dukakis were charismatic, but Dukakis looked like a total idiot riding around in that tank, Bush won. Bill Clinton, like Reagan has charisma up the ying yang, He won easily over Bush and then Dole. G.W. Bush was really charismatic, more of a down home boy. But he won twice over statues Gore and Kerry. Obama had charisma, he won twice over non-charismatic McCain and Romney.

2016 didn't fit as I deem neither Trump nor Hillary as being charismatic. More like Obnoxious against aloof and elitist. Obnoxious won. 2020 Obnoxious lost to a very bland, uninspiring, old candidate. But Biden came across as likable vs. the unlikable Trump. People just had enough of Obnoxious.

Personality has a lot to do with these beauty contests especially among independents who don't in general party much if any attention to politics. None of the daily grind of politics. Being likable is a big advantage, being unlikable always hurts as history has shown usually folks don't vote for someone they dislike, politics and policy aside.

 

Fair, RCP did exactly that.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...rump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

They had Clinton winning the popular vote by 3.3 points, she won by 2.1. Considering the margin of error of plus or minus 3 points, the polls were right on.

 

Trump is more like 30% approval rating

 

I knew it was down there, 34%, pretty sad, Trump lost biggly

 

she won the most votes in the polls and the election, just the one with the most votes doesn't always win

Trump lost the popular vote twice

in order to make polls more accurate, you have to give votes more or less weight based on the state the person lives in as that is how it works in real life

 

Be that as it may, Biden may be one of the blandest and most uncharismatic candidates I've ever seen, with some of the worst policy proposals ever, yet he's currently occupying the White House. Would it then be fair to say, that it may be due to the flippancy of the so-called independents? Those who choose style over substance.

 

Rasmussen is fraudulent, they fake their poll results. Ah, it's easy to argue like a trumper.