Trump losing it with latest abortion lie.

the right wing only alleges to care about natural rights in abortion threads.

 

But you have no problem with ending innocent lives if they are positioned too close to people you want to kill.

 

I disagree. Forced vaccination DOES take away one's rights to their own body. The proof is in the use of the word "FORCED".

As I said, I am not anti-vax and I am really only making this argument as a bit of a "devil's advocate". However, forcing people to vaccinate is telling them to put this foreign substance into their body....and "trust me", it is good for you and society. A person has to act on "faith" that the substance is exactly what someone else is saying that it is. Their "CHOICE" is being removed under the guise of being good for society. Could there be an allergic reaction? Certainly. Could it kill the person receiving the vaccine? Yes...it is rare, but it does happen.

My whole point is that if a person has a right to their own body, that should include EVERYTHING that the put into it or taken out of it and when it is to be done....and this right should also extent to the children in their care.

There are many that would disagree with your contention that abortions do not create a "societal burden". Even though "morals" are subjective, some people feel there are moral ramifications to abortions. Maybe there is....maybe there is not. That might be a completely different discussion. However, I would think that taking a cavalier viewpoint on life...even if it is an unborn child does make a moral statement.

Your "murder" analogy really does not work as murder is illegal to prevent others from making the choice to end the life of another....it does not infringe on personal choice. Nobody chooses to murder themselves.....unless you call suicide "murder".

 

No. They use sympathy for the poor to gain power. By the time the money goes from the tax payer to the poor, there is very little left.

 

Well my advice would be get a doctor the has a DR in front of his name because you would have know this months before the baby was born. Seriously how stupid can your post actually be? Do you discriminate vets that come back without arms or legs?

 

Yeah somebody is proven to be clueless, Trump claimed exactly what the racist governor said. You for some reason have issues with the English language, shocked I tell you.

 

No, he didn't. He completely misrepresented the issue. And please don't complain about language proficiency while defending Trump. It is hilarious, but disappointing.

 

Trump said:
“The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully,” he said. “And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby.”

The truth:
Some legislation would even allow doctors the discretion to withhold from newborns who survived abortion the routine treatments all preemies need to breathe and survive. That would doom them to die within hours. Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed such macabre legislation on Jan. 22 and celebrated by having One World Trade Center lighted pink.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/13/these-abortion-laws-arent-what-pro-choice-is-supposed-to-mean/

Trump didn't lie.
He may have exaggerated, but he didn't lie.

 

Lying about the murder of human baby murdering industry, oh the horror..
Does he lie about the Nazis too?

 

And they even have their own democrat petri dish in California. In spite of Democrats being in power, taxes among the highest, we are the poverty capital of the US. The gap between the wealthy and poor is huge and there is very little middle class left. Our roads are crumbling and education ranks with the lowest. "Health care reform" has resulted in record levels of sickness combined with record profits for the pharm industry.

$15 min wage is only a raise for the IRS. The workers is no better off.

 

It was a direct reply to a post.

 

Ok which part did he misrepresent let's see the quote? The dems refused to strengthen the law, the racist virginia governor point blank said that after the baby was born they made it comfortable then made a decision with the mom, that's where we're at. Do you support a law banning infanticide or neonaticide? Keep in mind I'm no a prolifer here but there needs to limits.

 

How did he misrepresent?

Northam: "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

Trump: “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully,” he said. “And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby.”

Not much different between the 2 statements.

 

The actual quote was about a child born with with a terminal illness and kept comfortable until it dies, with only attempts at resuscitation attempted (as for adults patients) if that's what the legal caregiver decides to do. There are no executions, as Trump describes.

Infanticide is already illegal. Trump playing make-believe otherwise and his cult of personality playing along is part of the problem here. Do you support telling the truth? Keep in mind I'm no profile here, but there needs to be standards.

 

Try reading the sentences of Northam's that come before the ones you quote. Then try to learn the difference between ending life support for a terminal patient (something we already do for adults if that's what the caregiver decides) and execution.

 

the worker must be better off under any form of Capitalism.

 

Try listening to what Trump said. It is true that Trump did not distinguish that Northam's comment mainly pertained to "terminal patients", though Trump also did not say it pertained to healthy babies either. He repeated pretty much the same wording that Northam used. What Trump said is true. That is exactly what Northam proposed. I agree that Northam was referring to terminal babies and Trump did not say it did not.

 

What Trump said is a lie and, no, it isn't exactly what Northam proposed. There is an objective difference between choosing to cease life support for a terminal patient and executing someone, no matter how much Trump and his followers play make-believe otherwise. Our laws make that distinction every day.

 

Do please show EXACTLY where in the law, NOT YOUR INTERPRETATION, does it say this is for healthy , normal fetuses.


FoxHastings said: ↑
""done in cases where there may be severe deformities” or where the fetus is not viable"""

..or where the woman's health or life is in jeopardy(something Anti-Choicers don't care about but most people do)



IT'S FINE WITH ME

 

Why did you start the quote here instead of a couple of sentences earlier so that we could see what the "particular example" was? He's talking about a particular example. Why are you cutting out what that example is?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Abortion has everything to do with the right to one's own body.

Banning abortion takes away women's right to their own body.

Abortion doesn't create a "societal burden".

An epidemic does.

Forced vaccination doesn't take away one's right to their own body any more than making murder illegal does.

Nope, didn't refute a word of my post.

As to : "There are many that would disagree with your contention that abortions do not create a "societal burden".""

What would this "burden" be that somebody NOT being born would cause?

What are the "moral ramifications" of abortion ,( which has been around for thousands of years)?

Are you going to blame women who had abortions for all the evil/bad things that happened?????

Are you contending that someone will think, "gee, someone had an abortion today so I think I'll rob a bank" ???


Did someone think, ""There was an abortion today so I'll start an unnecessary war and kill thousands of people" ??

 

Great if it's illegal then why did the racist governor say that or are you saying it was a stunt double or something? Would be ok with you to strengthen it and neonaticide laws? Let's be honest yard, the Governor did say it and if it's illegal why did he say it? I think most would completely disagree with this happening, you simply can't have a baby not knowing the baby's condition months earlier, so how far do you want to take this it's a fetus not a live human thing?

 

No, it wasn't. The actual quote was about a child that had "severe deformities" or was "non-viable" - it was not limited to "a child born with a terminal illness", as you claim.

Yeah, "there are no executions" - never mind that Northam was talking about a third trimester ABORTION bill.

Ad homs, empty platitudes about "standards" that are noticeably lacking in your own post. Nice finish.

 

Non-viable = can't survive on its own. That's terminal. Not sure where the confusion is, but let me know where I can clairify.

Glad you understand now. No executions. By the way, if you'd like to join the topic, Trump was talking about executions after birth, which was a lie, even if you try defining third trimester abortions as "executions."

Then try reading the post again.

 

Trump is desperately misrepresenting what the governor said. He wasn't talking about infanticide. Trump was making up **** about infanticide.

You'd have to define what you are even talking about. Again: infanticide is already illegal. There is no such thing as "strengthening" it. It is already against the law.

I repeat: infanticide is already illegal. What he was talking about wasn't infanticide. Trump lied about it to try to make it into infanticide.

Try talking to mothers. Real ones. Yes, there are conditions that sometimes aren't found or the severity isn't known until much later.

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