Trump losing it with latest abortion lie.

No, I want to keep Ralph Scissorhands Northam away from their pretty little heads...

 

What's the criteria for mental health? Is it merely because she is suffering from postpartum? There is no definition to what "mental health" would warrant a late term so yes, very grey area.

 

I am amused that this bit of a talk made it to a public forum. I was not aware of it so thank you Democrats for shooting your foot one more time. If we elected people based on that part of any speech, it would matter. We are going to elect Trump for other reasons.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Fine , except everyone's "morals" are not the same and should not be legislated. YOU may feel a "moral obligation"...others may not.

Oh, for pete's sake , the DRAAAMA...that decision has been being made for thousands of years but again, you seem to place all of humankind's "morals", and their support, on the back of women. It is NOT their responsibility.

The woman and her doctor decide what will be productive and what won't.

And the cost DOES matter. The leading cause of bankruptcy is medical bills.

The woman decides how much suffering she wants to put HER child through, a child that may never be "normal" BUT WISHES IT WERE.

A child that knows nothing but hospitals and pain...but hey, just think of your own precious "morals" and to hell with everyone else??

A woman may have the morals that say, "I don't want my child to suffer, that would be immoral, I'll let it go" ( a great act of love, kindness, and decency).

HER kid, her life, her consequences, her responsibility......NOT Big Government's or yours.

No, it doesn't, it doesn't possess the faculties to decide ….or did you think these babies came out talking and thinking and assessing their condition.
Just like people in a coma who have the next of kin decide their fate.

And there isn't one who wouldn't rather be like other "normal" kids..
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It only has to be clear to the doctors and mother....it doesn't have to be clear to strangers in a chat room.
BTW,this is what I was referring to about the drama,

""FoxHastings said: ↑
Fine , except everyone's "morals" are not the same and should not be legislated. YOU may feel a "moral obligation"...others may not.

Oh, for pete's sake , the DRAAAMA...that decision has been being made for thousands of years but again, you seem to place all of humankind's "morals", and their support, on the back of women. It is NOT their responsibility.""


ALL of which you had to ignore. ( along with most of my post )

So?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
To whom?

There are doctors to assess mental health just like doctors who assess physical health.


Did you want to examine them yourself?

I'm not yelling above but since you missed that part of my post you quoted I thought I'd make it easier to see

 

You did not answer what so ever. You merely gave an anecdotal response that clarifies absolutely nothing. Mental health is an extremely broad spectrum and I don't think an OBGYN or physician is qualified to determine mental stability. Do you honestly think this is their role?

 

I disagree there needs to be concrete language in place by the government on what constitutes deformities. Not this play it by ear that’s been going on. Doctors aren’t saints

 

Whereas I think it is bleak to force futile medical care on an infant with no prospect of survival

 

I have hoped and hoped that the comments would at last favor her baby.

 

I agree.

However, at this point, Northam did not clarify whether he was discussing an infant "with no prospect of survival" or whether he was discussing an infant who's life may be more complicated than a normal baby....at least not that I am aware of. If there is "no chance of survival", than I would think existing laws...that also apply for adults....would cover that.

 

Yes increasingly it IS diagnosed by ultrasound which is why fewer and fewer later term abortions are occurring BUT not every woman has antenatal care - especially those without health insurance (thanks Trump) this is evident in the fact that America now has the highest maternal mortality of all the developed nations - and the highest infant mortality - which is thanks again to lack of health care post born

http://time.com/5090112/infant-mortality-rate-usa/

Maternal mortality

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/5280...ate-of-maternal-deaths-in-the-developed-world

How about instead of focussing on what might never happen you lot start focussing on the deaths that are occurring NOW

You seem to want to enact futile, expensive medical care on newborns with no hope of survival whilst ignoring babies dying needlessly

 

It would depend massively on what was wrong with the child, however I suggest you look at your currentl infant mortality and start worrying about THAT

 

It is an oxymoron to first argue to put unborns to death then argue infant mortality is bad.

 

Not sure what the current infant mortality rate has to do with what we are discussing (are you moving the goalposts?). However, it appears that we are making great strides in that area over the past 50+ years. Not seeing much to "worry" about.

 

The US classifies infant mortality to a higher standard than most of the world. We also take in a lot of illegals, many unvaccinated and quite sick when they get to the US.

There is no condition that requires a 3rd trimester abortion.

Odds are that a more conservative SCOTUS will overturn Roe v Wade.

In that case, abortion reverts to being a state issue.

States that do not want it, will be able to prohibit it.

Many democrat run states will further push for infanticide.

 

And if that baby is like the one I linked to earlier?

((((((((((((((Sigh)))))))))))))

The reason I talk of an link to drawings of anencephalics is multiple but mostly because pictures of actual foetal abnormalities upset some

THIS infant was kept alive for 84 days in ICU with multiple surgeries only to die in any event

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213576616301439

 

However America still has a far higher infant mortality rate than any other OECD country which suggests you are NOT caring for infants after they are born

Why focus on the first few days of life only to allow the child to die at a later stage?

 

Got proof?

All I ever see is opinion - no research no validations

 

Im not here to spoon feed you.

I practice medicine in a border state, but I bet you watch Bill Mahar.

 

Well, the bolded part is just flat out false.

Mexico, Chile, and Hungary (all OECD Counrty) all have a much higher Infant mortality rate than the US. Maybe you meant that the US has a higher rate than the average of OECD countries.

In any case, there are many factors involved in IMR....and again, not sure exactly what the IMR has to do with the topic. Are you saying there is no point in trying to keep an new born baby with complications alive because they might die later?

 

The abortion question has nothing at all to do with a "new born baby", regardless of its condition.

 

One can't hate infant mortality but love abortion in the same day.

 

Except we are not really talking about "the abortion question". We are talking about Northam's comment vs Trump's comment. Northam's comment most certainly pertained to "new born babies". The "abortion question" is 3 doors down and to the left.

 

I am surprised after he got kicked off ABC he landed on HBO. At least there his audience is a great deal smaller.

 

My deceased sister gave birth to a baby with a head clearly filled with fluids. I do not believe at the time she was advised to abort it. True it took place as I recall around 1967, I recall that baby. It died after several months at home with Sis. Funny is how she loved it as were it perfect.