Trump: "Oceans are very small"

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  1. bx4

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    Ozone has very little to do with climate change.
    I agree that the CO2 in the atmosphere traps the heat.
    It doesn't make Trump's statement any less of a meaningless word salad from a moron.
     
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    Of course he said what he said, no spin needed, the oceans are small compared to the atmosphere, especially in the area of climate change
     
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    I agree ozone is small compared to other impacts the atmosphere has on climate change. I don’t know what was confusing about trump’s comment, the oceans are small in comparison. Only a moron wouldn’t understand that
     
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    The oceans have the ability to absorb much more heat than the atmosphere. So not small in that comparator.
    And he wasn't talking about climate change. He seemed to be talking about pollution, but frankly it is almost impossible to understand what come out of his mouth. He certainly is incapable of speaking in grammatically correct sentences that follow a logical train of thought. At best he speaks in platitudes that are so vague that (like this) they can mean almost anything to anyone.
     
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    The atmosphere traps the heat in and doesn’t allow it to escape. Often referred to as greenhouse effect. The reporter was asking him about climate change. Pollution, obviously impacts it as well.
     
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    Maybe the whole thing would make more sense - or maybe not.

    TRUMP: One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers. You look at our air and our water, and it’s right now at a record clean. But when you look at China and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America, and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including — just many other places — the air is incredibly dirty. And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over. I mean, we take thousands of tons of garbage off our beaches all the time that comes over from Asia. It just flows right down the Pacific, it flows, and we say where does this come from. And it takes many people to start off with.
     
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    The Oceans of our planet are THE heat sink for EVERYTHING and far more important to our climate in the grand scheme. The atmosphere is really only important because we feel it every day and we humans have a relatively limited attention ability on the whole. Those that actually research and study climate as a system fully grasp the importance of our oceans as well as the consequences of their warming. That you or Trump do not is not relevant to this reality.
     
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    Or build houses where fires and landslides have historically occurred every year and then make everyone's insurance go up to pay for it, as well as use taxes to help rebuild. California might be the biggest welfare state.
     
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    It's a derangement syndrome.
     
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    Then why are alarmists concerned about air temperature ??
     
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    Puerto Rico failed Puerto Rico.
     
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    Outer space is the heat sink for everything,
     
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    Are you actually this naïve or are you simply trolling? As stated the atmosphere is a focus because it is what we live in. If we were Corals we would be focused on the oceans and worried about our neighbors getting bleached, but we are not. Instead we worry about oceans rising in volume, getting warmer which will do the same, and a few deal with all of it because they understand it. Myself, I like to think I get much of it so I understand it is too late to do anything about it anyways. I see "Alarmists" as optimists out of necessity....more power to 'em.
     
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    If you lived there...then yes.
     
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    Lyin' Don's brain alternative is considerable.​
     
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    Context.

    A concept completely lost on the gullible and intellectually vacant who genuflect to the alter of Progressivism.
     
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    Where does the solar radiation go ?? Do an energy balance.
     
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    Your point not mine. There is nothing politically possible that can significantly reduce CO2 emissions. And global warming is net beneficial.
     
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    Solar Radiation goes everywhere, including the Earth. That has nothing to do with this discussion in context....that is not even a remotely competent dodge attempt.
     
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    It really wasn't; what that poster did was change the measurements from size to weight and measured the oceans and atmosphere in terms of kilograms rather than square kilometers - and Trump was discussing the relative size of each, not their weight.

    Hey, I'm still waiting for AJ to prove Trump wrong. AJ? AJ? Huh - I'm sure he was here a minute ago! :salute:
     
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    A significant amount of solar radiation is reflected and goes into outer space. The rest is absorbed by the earth (both land and water) and some is reradiated in the infrared spectrum. Some of that is absorbed and radiated back to the earth and some goes back into outer space. The oceans are not heat sinks for the atmosphere.
     
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    It feels like some are playing a "gotcha" game here. Sometimes, that can be a good thing, but overplay your hand and you become the object of derision. Trump has a bad habit of knee jerk responses that often don't turn out so well. He's nowhere as interesting as George Bush in that regard.
     
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    Why can you just admit it when he is right?
     
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    He wasn't talking mass.

    His statement was bigger, larger area wise, than the oceans not that the oceans are bigger than the land areas.

    May? Are you saying it may not be? And you are questioning Trump's knowledge of facts here?
     
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    Well dear you made an assumption. You made the assumption that if you were wealthy you hate the rich. I am the 1% ..my husband retired In his forties and was a great philanthropist.
    Where we differ is that I don’t see people who are not wealthy and who are actually poor as just “making bad decisions”. I have compassion for these people who work damn hard. I would bet you are a white male and coming from a middle-class family you already had an advantage.My husband came from the worst poverty and dropped out of school and join the Navy at 17. He is the first to tell you that had he not been a white male he would not have had the opportunities he had, which was going on the trading floor at Smith Barney .
    Well sadly you see us as a bunch of hateful sore losers...but you didn’t vote for trump! You don’t really expect me to believe that do you? Lol Actually you are right that we are angry and the fact that you are not speaks volumes about your character
     

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