Trump or Sanders - if you had to vote, who?

This ^.

 

. . . you think Trump is a limited government candidate?

 

The whole point of the thread is who to vote for if those were the two primary choices. However, they are not the only choice in our election. Case closed.

 

Why do you think the country and the economy would do better under Sanders of all people?

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More so than Sanders that's for sure.

 

There is significantly more to running the United States than our economy.

 

because he's not a kon, nobody can destroy a country like they have

 

Stick to what you're asked. Case closed

 

But a key part, the most important part is the defense of the country and our national security.

Again why do you think the country and the economy and our national defense would do better under Sanders of all people?

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Quint cliche's are cute but how about a serious answer this time?

Why do you think Sanders will do a better job at getting people back to work and the economy back into high gear, him of all people but in this case Trump and a Republican congress?

 

So the last 7 years of damage is not enough for you?

 

Yeah, it would have been a better poll to have the other candidates like Clinton and Cruz too. That way we can see a glimpse into voter's minds (at least on this forum).

 

Sanders would largely be castrated by Congress from implementing any of his more dramatic domestic agenda and his foreign policy agenda does not frighten me. As for his cabinet picks and executive actions, I'd be happy to see those departments move to the left anyway. Mostly his years would be mired by impotence secondary to a lack of congressional support. He won't do much actual harm.

Trump is an egomaniac with the instincts and acumen of a rhinoceros on crack. The idea of him as commander in chief of an army, a navy and an air force is scary as hell. This guy has no pause button and no override mechanism.

 

if Sanders gets elected it will be because a huge percentage see a real chance to change the playing field towards giving the working stiff some of his country back from those who wail about taking this country back from the black guy so they can hide it under the floorboards for later...
just from an inspirational aspect, if that kind of positive expression is properly addressed by the new pres then such spirited reemergence of patriotic momentum alone can be an undeniable force for good
Sanders, simply wants to first correct the economic chasm that has separated the masses from the handful that have stolen this country, mainly kons, for their own purposes and take destructive partisan politics out of policy. until that happens not much else matters

 

I did not say it would....that is something you have extrapolated and is little more than a distraction from my comment. I clearly stated I would vote for him to keep trump out...he seems uninformed and dangerous on a world stage, and there is no "Unfair" he can whine about when dealing with foreign nations.

 

Your comment makes absolutely no sense to me....please attempt to clarify.

 

The USA needs investment. Public investment. First it needs to balance the budget with higher taxes. It doesn't need a flat tax. And it doesn't need to worry about national defence or isis.

That being said. A southern wall is a good idea who's time has come. Uncontrolled immigration is a threat to national stability.

 

the title of the thread was "if you had to vote, who?" so, you asked me who I would vote for. You gave two choices even though the choices were incomplete. And I gave you my opinion of who I would vote for and told you as have others.

don't blame me for your errors on your own thread there creation. Just blame yourself for the errors and be done with it.

 

Sanders by a gazillion miles. Absolutely no question at all. That's possibly the easiest choice ever put to a person.

 

The middle east is not the place for democracy, it was build on dictatorship and misogeny. There should be at least one place on the planet with those principles

 

Sanders would finish us off financially.

 

Yes but I wish this would happen in about 15 years or so. Those who are retired will benefit at the expense of the younger generation that would be left with an awful country. Massive debt and overrun with foreigners would be a living hell but at least for a while things would be sweet for those not working.

 

The choices were complete. Trump or Sanders. Can't see why you're having difficulty with that. I know there are other possible choices but I'm not offering those. And no one needs to know about these other guys on this thread. Start another on other possible candidates if you like.

 

trump is just a materialistic businessman who wants to make money. Sanders is just another destructive socialist. But I would rather have a socialist in power than that horrible human being, and that's coming from a fascist.

 

What, are you kidding? Who could vote for that loudmouthed old socialist? Let him go ransack Haiti or some other place that doesn't have any of those evil rich people screwing up things.

 

You would think by viewing all of the comments here that Sanders vs Trump that Sanders would have the higher number. Obviously there are more Trump supporters.

 

I am an old FDR common sense progressive. Sanders exemplifies a progressivism that was in the process of dying out, thanks to the Clinton, corporate, banking cabal owned Democratic party, that stopped representing working and middle class americans in the 1990s, so they too could run with the GOP herd to the SLOP feeding troughs kept full by our greed driven, sociopathic, pedophiles, who have no allegiance to any country, including America.

The intelligent regulated economic model of FDR, Truman, Ike, and JFK, was nothing more than having traffic laws to help keep the irresponsible from endangering other lives, by their selfish speeding. That regulated economic model helped to insure that the national income pie was more fairly distributed, moving us away from the great income disparity of the 20 year neoliberal, GOP governance leading up to the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed it. This regulated economy took away some of the great influence and bribery of rich special interests who's only goal in life was to only enrich themselves, and to hell with everyone else. For there has been a lesson that the history of humanity teaches us, and that lesson is, you can never allow the rich elites the ability to structure a nation's economic model, without created more poverty, destroying the middle class, and generating great social disorder, reflected in the behavior of those who are being hurt by the greed of the few at the top. This lesson, of course is ignored by the ideologues on the right, who can only believe as they do, by indulging in amnesia of the history of humanity, and our own history. Some of these amnesiac jackwagons will even tout the greed of the elites as being a good thing, a positive force, thereby negating the very religion that they profess such great belief in.

With this said, if sanders loses the primary, but trump wins his, I will vote for trump. But only because he is taking on the banking cabal, MNC owned GOP, and has enough sense to understand the devastation created by neoliberal free trade, open borders for cheap labor, globalists that are in charge of the not only the GOP but also the Democratic Party. And who Perot ran against, as he tried his best to educate a very ignorant voting pubic long ago. Many people, because of amnesia, seem to think that globalization, neo feudalism, was not a scheme devised by the GOP neoliberals like Bush Sr, and a choice made by our politicians, on behalf of the banking cabal, and instead see it as INEVITABLE, in the same class as the Law of Gravity. Yet it was a choice made by human beings, in the interest of our elites, ONLY. And was a part of the dismantling of the FDR regulated economy, which created the largest middle class the world has ever known, by refusing to allow the elites to HAVE IT ALL.

The greatest problem in America today, is that the voting public, still has not understood what created the America of 2015, and have been intentionally dumbed down, in order to lose basic common sense. And basic common sense cannot be negated, by these ideological beliefs, that only exist due to a complete disconnection from reality. Basic common sense, and an Economics 101 class, would reveal the Truth about our current economic model. And the simple truth is, every private sector job comes from either manufacturing what America consumes in goods, or what is provided in services. And the support for these two areas, in such fields as engineering. The rate of unemployment, of non living wage jobs, is tied at the hip with how much of these job creation engines are allowed to be sent outside this nation, in order to max out the profits of the banking cabal and MNCs. Even if we still made most of what we consume, we would still have unemployed people, that is, people not needed in order to supply goods and services. But you can never, absolutely never, employ the maximum number of your own people, UNLESS they are allowed to make what they consume. You cannot weasel out of it, you cannot defy it, for it is just like the law of gravity. Yet that so many people think we can ship away job creation engines and not devastate the people in this nation, is where we still are, and until this changes, americans, working people will continue to go down the tubes, the nation will weaken, in order that a few elites might max out their own profits.

Sanders therefore is the only candidate running, that can possibly help working people and our middle class. For this GOP neoliberal economy has performed just as Perot tried to tell the people. And given the fact that the Clinton Democratic party is also neoliberal, corporate and banking cabal owned, only someone like sanders, can have a chance in hell of fixing what both parties broke, when they committed treason upon the majority of people in this nation. But he cannot do it without a political revolution, that stays with him, stays behind him, and demand that congress stop their treasonous behavior, and clean up their acts, and once again represent the American people who are not rich, and who must work for a living, in this gutted out economy that serves no one, but the rich elites. And it will only happen when white working people, as they once did in the 1930s, start voting in their own best economic self interests, instead of voting as if they were a rich elites. The elites vote in their own self interests, for they have enough common sense to do that. It is only the brainwashed American voter that will act to cut his own throat, and offer his arse up to be entered by the elites, without even suggesting the elites might use some Vaseline in order to take away some of the pain involved.

And so white working americans, of their own volition, walk around with sore arses, while being too brainwashed by propaganda, to even understand what made their arses so sore, even as the men they vote for all have holes in the knees of their britches from being on their knees in front of our elites, servicing them. The suck up to the elites, for this is who gives them the big money to keep their own seats of power, which gives them, power, status, prestige and the ability to get rich once they leave office by lobbying congress on the behalf of the same people who financed their campaigns. This is nothing more than something the Mafia would do, and the politicians make sure no laws are passed to keep them from being just like a crime syndicate.