Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

There's nearly 5 years between the waterboarding of KSM and the raid on Bin Laden's compound. That claim is bullshit.

 

And to reinforce the point: A murderer does not have the right to murder their victim just because the victim fought back.

 

The first Lt. was a victim to the destruction of his Armored vehicle where he lost 2 of his men. When the killed man was arrested in the first place. his home had insurgency weapons.

There is a mental state issue. Also he served in prison for 5 years. War sees a lot of the innocent killed. A lot of innocent die when a city is bombed.

Anyway, Trump pardoned him so his time in jail is over. And I believe during the Obama time in office, he had been paroled.

So all Trump did was erase the black mark on his name and service.

 

That’s not hazing that’s *******n assault. Each child should be in adult prisons. Period

 

If you think Obama waved a magic wand to locate Bin Laden, please enlighten us to t he precise way it was done and how Bin Laden actually got located. Intelligence says that the location ultimately was found due to intelligence gathered from KSM during a waterboarding intelligence gathering act.

 

I don't think morally anyone can condemn the Lt for killing the guy … but it was murder. And premeditated. I can see the pardon because it's not like the Lt is an ongoing criminal risk. He was convicted in military court ….. by the military. He's not going back into the military, and hopefully he'll never be in law enforcement either.

not to go off topic, as pred did, but if this all about pols standing up fro the military, I don't see much outrage of a 22K increase in rapes since Trump. I'm not directly blaming Trump, but the whole chain of command has been a joke under him.

 

This isn't "collateral damage". Behenna deliberately chose to ignore and violate his legal direct orders, take a prisoner without legal authority, strip that prisoner naked, illegal interrogate and threaten that prisoner with murder, and then murder that man when he fought to save his life against Behenna's threat of murder. He could have chosen at any point to not follow through with those actions, he deliberately chose to continue them. He should have a black mark on his name and his service. It doesn't matter who he THOUGHT Mansur was, it doesn't justify murder.

 

Show me a source claiming that the only way we could have gotten Bin Laden was with torture.

 

Democrats refuse to totally describe the way waterboarding the captured Muslims took place. They report it as just waterboarding then ramble on how the Japanese did it.

First thing. It is just water. Second I imagine the Japanese military truly made it extremely hard on the captured man. Our CIA is the only people to do it and there was a doctor there at all times. Second they time limited how long they put water on. The period of time was 30 seconds. Nobody dies cut off from breathing for 1/2 a minute.

Sure people do panic during the process. Panic is internal. If a person like the Navy Seals can handle it, as they do when trained, then our enemy can handle it.

 

The report I read on this event did not have the man naked. It says the Sgt and the First Lt were slashing at his clothing. You are exceeding the bounds of the actual claims the way you explained it.

The Lt claims the prisoner lunged at him. Evidence supported that claim.

If we all will recall when and where it took place, we might see why during Obama he was paroled and later pardoned by Trump. What role did Obama have in paroling him when he was president? I have not dug that deep into this myself.

 

lol...everything is Obummer's fault. Is Soros somehow involved here too?

He was convicted by a court martial

 

You will... we did for the first half decade of the war.

We can kill people a lot faster than they can **** more out.

It's very possible.

 

The prisoner lunged at him AFTER BEHENNA THREATENED TO MURDER HIM. A person who is threatened with murder has a right to defend themselves. A murderer does not have a right to kill their victim just because their victim fought back.

Behenna was acting against express legal orders and had no authority. His actions were already illegal from the second he disobeyed his commander.

 

The first half decade of the war, Bush ignored Afghanistan so he could fight his war of choice in Iraq.

 

I am not a believer that KSM endured torture. My rather constant argument since the events we are discussing happened is he had torment. Both Bush and Obama clamped the lid on precisely what all KSM did admit.

I did read one story on this that stated that the link to the messenger that later exposed the location came directly from KSM when Bush was president.

I frankly never got the idea that getting Bin Laden was all that important to Obama but he got lucky some of our troops were not so lax.

If you recall, Obama never actually exposed how it happened to locate Bin Laden. I have long argued that it was KSM who really was vital as to the attacks on 911 and all Bin Laden was to this was a rubber stamp and of course some funding.

 

So is this you stating that you have no evidence confirming that the only way we got Bin Laden is through waterboarding?

 

You know what you can do with that accusation?

I am saying i read a report on this when Bush was president and of course at this late date do not have the direct link to the story to show you.But you have not argued this with links either.

 

I'm not the one claiming that we had to waterboard in order to get Bin Laden.

 

Oh god, how can this myth persist among only Democrats?
Bush pulled out a new tactic on Afghanistan. It was called arming the insurgents of northern Afghanistan, feeding the entire country including dropping leaflets telling them the Taliban was the enemy along with Al Qaeda and pinpointing for our own bombers or missiles locations to hit from the air.

The idea Iraq was the Bush target all along is refuted by actual proof it was not.

 

I am not making that declaration at all. I do not know if Waterboarding was the only way but given how mild it was on KSM I would say it worked as intended. We learned the link to Bin Laden was via a messenger who was tracked and later he went to the compound. When Bin Laden was killed, Obama simply took a wild flyer that OBL was actually there. Obama admitted he had no idea if the intel was true or not. Obama got lucky.

 

And those tactics did basically nothing to stop the Taliban from building up its strength. Arming the insurgents from one ethnic group just resulted in others joining the Taliban's banner.

 

If it "worked as intended" where is the evidence to support this claim?

 

That is an interesting way to defend the arrested man who simply did not admit what he did and was released back to his village or city as the case might be.

I see a case for the killed man as you see one too. But bear in mind who pardoned him. Obama pardoned him when he was president.

 

The solider should be given a medal.

 

General Franks plan actually sent the Taliban packing back to Pakistan. Bear in mind the source of the Taliban into Afghanistan to begin with. The Taliban never were typical citizens of Afghanistan but murdering thugs from Pakistan.

Bush pursued a policy of trying to get at the Taliban who fled to Pakistan but was not all that successful.