Trump & Putin. Yes, It's Really a Thing

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  1. Papastox

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    Since the emails confirmed what we already knew---that Lib media in the form of TV, newspapers, liberal internet sites, etc are all in collusion with the DNC and Democrats to skew information to their liking, your Lib website is not acceptable as being the Gospel truth. Sorry...trying to deflect from this clown car known as the DNC won't help. It won't negate the fact that the DNC staff wrote those horrible emails and probably broke a few laws. No one forced them, so don't blame Wikileaks. They just reported the TRUTH. By the way we already knew that Democrats are corrupt, but it's nice to have irrefutable evidence...
     
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    Follow Trump's Money to Moscow.

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    Reports dating back to 1987, during the time of the old Soviet Union, reveal that Trump has been seeking business in Russia and attempting to build a “Russian Trump Tower” in Moscow and perhaps other Russian cities.

    At this particular time in history, with Putin’s cronies under financial sanctions because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin’s praise for Trump may signal another attempt to get the capitalists and their money back into Russia. Such a ploy depends on Trump and others rehabilitating Putin by claiming that he is fighting terrorism in Syria, not bolstering a long-time Soviet/Russian client state. Thanks to the effectiveness of the Russia Today (RT) channel, which saturates the U.S. media market, especially cable television, Putin is indeed looking like a statesman on the world stage.

    Trump’s relationship with Russia goes far back. In 1987, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, he was meeting with Soviet officials and negotiating the building of “luxury hotels” in Moscow and Leningrad. A story at the time said Trump had met Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, who mentioned how much his daughter had admired the “opulent” Trump Tower in New York City. This led to an invitation to Trump to visit the USSR. The story said Dubinin wrote a letter to Trump, who hosted a meeting with Soviet officials in New York.

    The invitation to Moscow was issued by Intourist, the giant Soviet in-country travel organization which operated all the hotels for foreigners in the Soviet Union. Intourist was created in 1929 by Joseph Stalin and run by KGB officials. Intourist hotels were designed for wealthy foreigners, and virtually all the Intourist guides were KGB informers. In fact, one aspect of their jobs was the recruitment of foreigners.

    However, Trump expressed concern about “Soviet regulations on joint ventures, which require that the Soviets hold a controlling 51 percent interest” in such projects. Trump wanted majority control.

    The book, The Global Emerging Market: Strategic Management and Economics, by Vladimir Kvint, said that as far back as 2008, the Trump Organization had registered its trademarks in Russia in the areas of real estate development and construction. Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said in an interview at the time that his father was looking at investing in Russia and China. These were considered top A-list countries. Donald Jr. is the executive vice president of Development & Acquisitions at the Trump Organization.

    Trump wasn’t the only businessman who thought the new Russia would prove hospitable to foreign investment. American businessman Bill Browder ran an investment fund in Russia called Hermitage Capital. Once a Putin fan, he thought private property rights were going to be protected. However, he was deported in 2005, his assets stolen, and his lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, was tortured and killed. Browder now says, “The Russian regime is a criminal regime. We’re dealing with a nuclear country run by a bunch of Mafia crooks. And we have to know that.”


    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/follow-trumps-money-to-moscow/
     
  3. Your Best Friend

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    Leftists trying to save their skins by implying, but not proving, that his DNC hacking has been done by Russians who, inexplicably, would rather have Trump than Clinton had better be careful.
    Whoever hacked the DNC is perfectly capable of hacking Hillary's home made servers and the possibility that she could be blackmailed is very real.
    Therefore why would the Russians want someone they don't know they could control vs. someone they could? Not to mention all the business the Clinton Foundation has already done with Russian oligarchs and banks (like Roastrom the uranium consortium).
     
  4. Thirty6BelowZero

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    What do you find more important. The emails, or who's behind leaking the emails?
     
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    Should be scary to think that someone could have a Blackmail file on a possible US President. Anyone who'd go to these lengths for the DNC, would certainly be interested in the Secretary of State if they could get it.

    A couple Time magazine or Newsweek covers about the "Historic First" simply arent worth the risk.
     
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    Well here is the problem, you don't even have a pattern, much less evidence..In order to prosecute you need two things evidence and criminal intent and you have neither.
     
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    I wonder what do they have on Trump? You don't think the Russians would stop with Democrats do you?
     
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    Time will tell obviously, if it even is the Russians. Rather than speculate on something that might never come, I'll wait and see and comment on what we have so far. Looks terrible for the DNC and Hillary.
     
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    Pay to Play is criminal intent and in cases like this all you need to show is a pattern. From Haiti to Africa and Russia, the pattern is evident. Problem is that it is not just the Clinton Foundation that is involved but many in government. Who is going to prosecute the government?
     
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    Until Putin admits he did it, you don't have evidence and criminal intent...next up on Wikileaks is supposed to be the Clinton Foundation emails or maybe her personal emails that she thought she deleted. She really must be hated by whoever is doing this...
     
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    I don't recall Putin running Russia in 1987, known then as the USSR, but any international business concern, will try thinking ahead of the what might be and I'd bet Trump was not the only US businessman, wanting the Russian people as customers.

    The point today, should be wanting good relations between governments, and this current hysteria over Putin as defined by American Media, is a little silly. No doubt he (Putin) is a bit sexist, doesn't like Hillary, but then not one ME Leader would have her in for dinner. May sound familiar, but Reagan NEGOTIATED with Gorbachev, eventually winning what was the issue and Trump certainly has been involved in a few negotiations....and won.
     
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    Which US Presidential candidate said Vladimir Putin is "highly respected"?


    A. Hillary Clinton

    B. Gary Johnson

    C. Jill Stein

    D. Donaldov Trumpinski?

    :)
     
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    Putin SHOULD? :roflol:
     
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    After all of this gnashing of teeth about Russia, it is still a fact that Putin did not write the damning emails.
     
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    You have no evidence. In order to have a pattern of illegal behavior you must first prove you have a pattern of illegal behavior and you can't prove criminal wrong doing, much less a pattern of illegal behavior. And that's why no credible person can take you seriously.
     
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    Trump is an international business man and this could be said about most any country on the planet. This is a desperate attempt by the left to save Hillary's imploding candidacy.
     
  17. Hoosier8

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    Clinton Cash outlines the pattern. It is fruitful to be friends of the Clintons as long as you pony up.
     
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    Despite all of the unfounded accusations by the rabid right, Hillary Clinton has never been formally charged with anything. Donald Trump has. His fraud trial has been put on hold until after the election in November, but the evidence against him is pretty strong. He could also face contempt-of-court charges for threatening the judge who is hearing the case.

    Trump's admiration for Putin and dealings with Russian mafia figures is no secret. He has publically expressed his admiration for Putin on several occasions, and you could uncover his dealings with Russian mafia figures with a bit of online searching if you were so inclined.

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    Trump has been publicly sucking up to Putin, and Putin is backing Trump's candidacy. It's not just an aboveboard business relationship.
     
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    Again, you have absolutely no evidence to support your very grand assertions and unfortunately for you and those like you evidence matters.
     
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    Translation: Blindness causes ignorance.
     
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    No, translation: delusions will get you thrown in the pysch ward or get you hurt.
     
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    And you really think any of that makes sense?
     
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    Even with the failed and totally useless political establishment closing ranks against Trump, he's still the most likely president elect. Cometh the hour, cometh the man??
     
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    You just narrowed that down to half the planet.
     
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    And your evidence that Putin is backing Trump is?
     

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