Trump says he wants to make America great and Hillary says....

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Breitbart says so:
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Images/gerrymander-2.jpg

    Also, US News:
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...freest-nation-in-the-world-legatum-study-says

    Switzerland, northern Europe, Canada, New Zealand and others consistently rate high.

    It's fine to be proud of our freedom, but we're not always the absolute best in everything we do. Pride leads to major mistakes.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I prefer the Democrat party make major changes. Then two parties would be fine.
     
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    So a nation should not put its own people first? If a nation does not put her own people first, then who do they put first?

    Look, a family puts its family first. A community puts its own community first. A state looks out for the state first and a nation should look out for itself first. This is not fascism, it is being responsible for oneself. Doing what the sensible and intelligence should dictate is not the kind of nationalism that some people want to make it. Some want to make it evil. It is not evil to put ones family first, in fact, it is evil not to do that.

    For if our nation does not put its own people first, hell, no one else will do that. So it is rather absurd to conflate a nation looking out for its own people with something evil. Nationalism has an evil meaning, and we think of Nazis. But you can bet your arse that in ww2 we entered that war because we had to put our people first or we would be speaking Japanese or german if we did not do it.

    So it is not evil for a nation to look after its own population. Which btw, we are no longer doing. Instead we are looking out for our robber barons, at the cost to the rest of us, and if you want to see evil, just look at that. This is being done by open border free trade globalism which is creating suffering here and insolvable problems that are so costly.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ahh yes, freedom of speech and religion, the right to bear arms, the right to a fair trial.....FASCISTS! Too funny you lefties.
     
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    So, you think you would have it easier and more freedom in another country with the example you posted? And if you say yes, then please tell us the country that is greater than America with your example

    Thanks!
     
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    Yep and our professional fees have remained the same since 1980. Thanks to liberal policies.
     
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    yes the liberal attack on families schools workers and religions is taking its toll on our great country. Do you understand?
     
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    I could say it's the people who should make America great again, why rely it on a person who is so fond in grabbing (tooooooot),
    and from a lady being demonized by an internet site called wikileaks. Are Americans that weak?
     
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    A london based think tank?
    A right wing rag...breitbart?

    uh huh!
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My fees paid to Government increased by well over 150 percent. And then I pay even more for additional courses.

    My state had finally exempted me from courses that Obama decided I had to have restored.
     
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    Newsflash to Trumpland, America already IS great. We could be North Korea, we could be Russia, we could be China, we could be one of those third-world countries that have to drink contaminated water. "Great" isn't the term you're looking for, instead "Perfect" is what you're looking for. And nothing is capable of really being perfect. Also, Hillary isn't attacking religions. She hasn't wanted to zero out a demographic based on religion, she hasn't made the brain-dead assumption African-Americans could walk out and get shot.

    Get your stats right.
     
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    No need to.

    America is Great.
     
  13. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait! As a voting eligible citizen, undecided on my POTUS selection, where can I find this assertion?!
     
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    which part of it in particular???
     
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    So you think you would be better off with your fees in another country other than America?

    If yes, tell us the name of that country

    Thanks!!!
     
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    The whole bit. I want to see the exact words. If you have none, this is nothing more that what Teh Donald has called out as bias.
     
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    Have you visited many other countries? Especially in Europe and the Commonwealth? They're all essentially the same.
     
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    only a child asks for exact words to explain huge concepts. Why so afraid to point out a point with which you disagree? Do you think Hillary supports schools families workers religions or has made war against them? Pick the one she supports most if you dare
     
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    No, only a voter wishing to be well informed, wishes to have all the facts. You have none, & are therefore nothing more that a hack, promoting an agenda.
     
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    Yes, I understand and I do not agree.

    Workers are facing destruction of collective bargaining, automation, the fact that other countries have caught up with us, competition from low cost undocumented labor, fractured job security, the rapidly changing requirements of our job market, undependable retirement commitments, etc.

    Even though US manufacturing production continues to climb, it is leaving workers behind.

    Too many right wingers see our universities as no more than hot beds of evil. It's no surprise that funding is inadequate, leaving graduates with enormous debt to start their young lives. This even slows innovation, as those with huge debt can't start new businesses, take chances on employment in young high tech companies, etc.

    Education can't be just for the kids with rich parents. We're 5% of the world, and we need every brain cell as the competition moves toward high tech, information, innovation, etc. In fact, even in manufacturing we're seeing rapidly changing job descriptions that can not be met without additional training that is not supplied today, thus leaving more workers and their families behind.

    And, religion?? What's the big deal? We absolutely need science class to be about science. We already spend too little time on STEM in our education system. And, sorry, but your religion doesn't get to control my daughter's body.
     
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    Are they greater then America?
     
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    workers are facing 30 million illegals invited in by liberals to take 30 million jobs and drive down our pay
    they are facing the highest liberal corporate taxes in the world to force our corporations off shore
    they are facing liberal budget deficits that enable china to buy our debt rather than our products
    they are facing unions which destroyed entire American industries with their incredible greed.

    eliminate this liberalism and we could compete nicely with China and the others despite their lower wages! NOW do you understand?!
     
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    Is there a country greater then America to correct this?
     
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    Nationalism does not mean fascism. However, that is what many Democrats say. In fact, with Hillary Clinton, the traditional Democratic Party is gone. It is instead the neocon war party of the super rich elite pushing for social conflict and declaring segments of society as evil along with beating war drums in a merger of the super rich, corporations, militarists and the government - meaning the former Democratic Party is not the Corporate Fascist Party.
     
  25. WillReadmore

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    If you had any inclination to be informed of Clinton's policy you would have read her web site and you wouldn't be so in doubt about what she supports.

    There is absolutely no question about her support for middle America, families, education/job training, infrastructure, jobs, immigration control, etc.

    I do see her as more oriented to using our military than I like, but Trump is so full of it on this subject that it is a major problem. Fire the generals? Hate the Muslims (who are absolutely required in our opposition to ISIS and other terrorists)? More nukes? Major growth of the military when we need a smaller budget? Our economic power is a major factor on offense and defense. Blowing our taxes on military adventurism is just plain stupid. We should spend that money on infrastructure that gives us useful jobs and makes us stronger.

    btw: I voted for Bernie.
     

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