Trump wants the GOP to be tougher defending him

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  1. Dayton3

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    Then why doesn't it say that? And if that was the original intent then why did Presidents Washington and Jefferson (who probably knew something about "original intent" of the Constitution) conduct private business for a profit with overseas governments while they were in office.?

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/173102
     
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    You purposely missed the entire point because you are forced to, much like Trump himself and those who try to defend him.

    Specific issues were mentioned in the OP. You avoided all of them.
     
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    That would be the OP where you thought "million" meant "billion".

    Again...
     
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    WOW... That had to sting :) Nothing could be further from reality! Democrats literally shlt on the constitution every time they rent, sale and allow a illegal intruder to cross in to the U.S... The leftist have entire states and cities dedicated to allowing the constitution and federal laws to be ignored without administering punitive actions against those that make their stay possible..

    And immigration is just the tip of the iceberg. The best way I can sum up this claim is "Your kidding right " LMFAO :)
     
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    Specifics ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to support Trump regarding his gutless Syrian decision and the betrayal of an important ally, the Kurds.

    Putins's jets patrol Syrian skies. Putin's military is expanding operations in Syria. Putin is forging closer ties to Turkey and his Syrian allies are moving into territory vacated by the United States. Trump's unconditional surrender to Putin also emboldens Syria's ally, Iran.

    And on Tuesday, Putin played host to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey for more than six hours of talks on how they and other regional players will divide control of Syria. They will decide matters now in Syria, not the U.S. Long live the butcher, Bashar al Assad.

    "Thank you, Donald," Vladimir Putin.
     
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    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sweet little Lindsay could have Schiff censored for lying and putting false words in Trump's transcript, He could get real tough with these democrats and stop these childish closed door hearings but he won't. You know why? Because his sweet old buddy McCain will be indicated in the false FISA warrant. McCain paid Steele to bring that dossier to him and then he gave it to Comey. All this was taking place while our future president was campaigning successfully against Hillary. And, they will NEVER get over the fact that they are losers.
     
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    As of today it’s game, set, and match so going to be hard. I suppose we’ll hear about process and how horrible they’re being treated. Essentially arguments out of the 2-8 age group. Well, okay I’m pushing it. They won’t that advanced.
     
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    Trump and the few Republicans who try to defend him in the impeachment inquiry completely avoid the evidence against Trump and falsely characterize the process of the House impeachment inquiry. Let's begin with Trump himself.

    “So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights,” Trump wrote Tuesday on Twitter. “All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here — a lynching. But we will WIN!” Trump tweeted.

    This is quite representative of Trump's tweets and statements regarding impeachment. He never addresses the evidence against him which has been provided by the White House as well as current and former White House advisors. He never has explained what he means by the absence of due process. For that mater, neither have Republicans who use the same reasoning.

    Is Trump willing to come forward in the hearings to face his accusers? Of course not, so what are Trump and his Republican defenders talking about? They never say.

    Republicans defending Trump will not deal with the evidence against Trump. All condemned him for his language. “Given the history of our country, I would not compare this to a lynching,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters Tuesday. “That was an unfortunate choice of words.”

    Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), the lone African-American GOP senator had this say after criticizing Trump for his language, “This is the political version of a death row trial. The president is up in arms in anger about it. He’s putting his political life on trial. His comments reflect it.” No mention of the evidence.

    “This is a lynching in every sense. This is un-American,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) told reporters at the Capitol, calling the impeachment process “a sham” and a “joke.”

    “It’s not just racial, my friend. I’m from South Carolina. I understand it very well. Here’s what you don’t get. Mob rule is what lynching is all about. You grab somebody because you don’t like them,” Graham said. “This is what happened to Kavanaugh: You’re guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.”

    Graham has defended Trump many times. Not once has he dealt with the evidence.

    "The connotation the president is carrying forward is a political mob seeking an outcome regardless of facts. And that I think is an objectively true description of what is happening in the House right now," so says Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) who completely avoided the facts.

    In my research for this report, I could not find many Republicans who were willing to defend Trump. The evidence against him is substantial and getting more so each and every day. In response, Republicans have only meaningless rhetoric.
     
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    Claiming something is "evidence" doesn't actually mean it is in fact "evidence". There are very few hard and fast uncontestable "facts" regarding the claims about President Trump.

    And you've got to remember that the same people basically screaming about "facts" and "impeachment" of President Trump.

    1) Were screaming that President Trump should be impeached...on the very day he took office.
    2) Have been screaming about the flagrantly false "emoluments" claim for more than two years now.
    3) Bitched and moaned about a couple of M1 Abrams tanks on display in Washington that the president asked for.
    4) Bitched and moaned about the first lady's Christmas decorations being "too dark" around Christmas 2017.
    5) Bitched and moaned about President Trump supposedly throwing too much fish food into the Japanese PMs pond.
     
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    The right supports trump by high 90 percentages. Party approval numbers like that have never been seen before when independents and the opposition party is so low.

    Its a lie to say “Republicans by nature are more independent and have less of a herd mentality.”
    They were against everything before they were suddenly for it.
     
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    They didn't mention the G-7 or the Miami Doral either... They just made it as general as possible.

    Read my post again. This has absolutely nothing to do with "conducting business". Unless you also consider a Mafia boss sending a thug to beat up a wannabe competitor "business". "It's just business... nothing personal..."

    Who would have believed that Mario Puzo would be so prophetic in allegorically describing this administration decades ago.
     
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    So again you discover that reality doesn't behave like your wingnut radio program tells you it should!

    Tell me again which group respects our laws on refugees and which one is intent on circumventing them?

    Sorry... there is no way you could ever hope to win this discussion. On any topic whatsoever...
     
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    Neither does the Emoluments Clause. The Emoluments Clause involves foreign gifts and titles of nobility. Nothing about operating profit making operations with foreign nations while in office.

    Now, I don't particularly like it and I think the optics are horrid. But "optics" are to me not an impeachable offense.
     
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    The Republicans are going have to defend Trump on his surrender in Syria. That could prove difficult because many leading Republicans have been very critical of Trump's decision, and the fallout is getting more serious by the day.

    With the exception of Trump's followers who support his cooperation with Vladimir Putin, Trump has accomplished the impossible. He has made Americans feel ashamed of being an American.

    He betrayed an ally. He has proven, that under his stewardship, America cannot be trusted. He has ceded power broker status in the Middle East to Russia.

    "Russia Assumes Mantle of Supreme Power Broker in the Middle East," proclaimed Britain's Telegraph. "Russia's status as the undisputed power-broker in the Middle East was cemented as Vladimir Putin continued a triumphant tour of capitals traditionally allied to the US."

    "Donald Trump Has Handed Putin the Middle East on a Plate," according to the Telegraph. "Putin Seizes on Trump's Syria Retreat to Cement Middle East Role," said the Financial Times.

    The conservative leaning Washington Examiner writes, "The awful and obviously predictable outcome of President Trump’s surrender in Syria has now come to pass.

    "Turkey and Russia have announced an agreement to remove Kurdish fighters from northern Syria, a horrible development for the forces of freedom and Middle Eastern stability. This agreement supersedes the Kurds' earlier attempt at an agreement with Russia and the government of Bashar Assad. Now, Turkey will move against YPG Kurdish units in northern Syria from one side, while Russia and its Syrian government clients will move in from the other. Crucially, all Kurdish fighting “elements and their weapons” will “be removed from Manbij and Tal Rifat.

    "Those towns, especially the large town of Manbij, are strategic linchpins. Without them, the Kurds can be essentially starved out. There could be an immense humanitarian crisis."

    If Russia ends up effectively dominating Turkey, the damage it can do in the eastern Mediterranean region is immense.

    The conservative Examiner concludes, There is not a single strategic or tactical gain for U.S. interests that has been gained from Trump’s order of withdrawal. In fact, more U.S. troops will be in the Middle East than before, but nations traditionally hostile to the U.S. are now ascendant.

    This is disastrous, pure and simple.


    Of course, none of this bothers Trump's fans.
     
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    So true, and the situation in the Middle East is degrading fast. In that region, once dominated by the United States, Russia calls the shots now, thanks to Trump.
     
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    Well for starters, the only XMS station I listen to is Classic Vinyl ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

    As for winning, that was established the very moment you typed out.

    And then had the audacity to click the post icon :)
     
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    I do and I made a mistake. Obviously, it was $400 million. I am not used to typing such a small amount when it comes to the federal government.
     
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    That's hilarious! You are actually trying to argue that the Emoluments Clause has nothing to do with emoluments.
     
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    Thank you for conceding....
     
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    Of course you are :) Well in the same way you think Democrats are loyal only to the Constitution. Cleary believing isn't a complicated thing in the Democratic world ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Trump fans, black is white, day is night, truth is lying, evidence is not evidence. So, you are saying the evidence, the depositions, the testimonies, may not be evidence. You ought to give that one to Trump.

    I don't care what other people say. I only care -- and am responsible for -- what I say.
     
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    Not in any legal sense.
     
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    You don't believe in collective guilt then.? IIRC you have frequently lumped all or most Trump supporters together with the most generalized statements.

    And once again simply calling something "evidence" in no way makes it CREDIBLE evidence. We could bring forth probably thousands of people to give "depositions" and "testimonials" that aliens are being concealed by the Federal government.

    Doesn't make them "credible".

    Oh but wait, you never said the "evidence, the depositions, the testimonies" were actually "credible".
     
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    They support him, but they can't defend him. Want proof? Note my posts that are critical of Trump. Note the lack of defense from Trump's fans.
     

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