Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

You right to do so and what I respect ... but it does not change the fact the declaration of ANTIFA to be terrorists is total nonsense and rediculous.

It is only a dirty trick of Donald Dumbass to demonize his political enemy ... when it is proven that most violence is not done by anyone who can be declared with sense to be some sort of member of ANTFA!

It is the same sort of people who make this BS to declare ANTIFA to be terrorists ... called to be morons usually.

Sure ... to blame the correct guilty one is unimportant ... following the nonsense told by Trump is more important as ti use a fact check ...I know, because I had this all too often since trump sits in White House.

Hence the reasoned statement of others that wearing the red MAGA cap ... no idea if you do or not and I don't care about ...on the head reduces the performance of the brain underneath. I too often got the impression that this is true.



[/QUOTE]No idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

Man ... really now?
I gave you an official report of the government of your country ... which lists all terror acts done in the USA since 9/11 ... and this report clearly shows that most terror acts with most killed by an terror act, are victims of righty extemist terror cats!
And what do you do as reaction?

You declare your government's official report to be incorrect in terms of content, without facts that it is. You then try to put that into another bill, because of how many US citizens have been murdered this year or that or since 9/11 in total and that there were only ridiculously few victims of right-wing terrorism.

What shoud that?
Again ... most of the dead since 9/11 killed in a terrorist attack were victims of terrorist attacks from far-right scum ... far more than were killed by Islamist scum or left-wing scum.

Do you get it now?

 

opinion noted.

I wish you luck in the Supreme Court

 

Good ... more is not demanded by me

You means this institution ruled by majority with righties and followers of Trump?
Anyway ...
Since Espen has now clearly opposed Trump's BS regarding the use of the armed forces against the riots, there may be hope.
However, Espen is now of course on Trump's well-known list with the heading "You're fired" ... the list that has had many people on it since 2017. Latest after the elections, Epsen will be kicked of from Pentagon no matter if Trump wins the elections or not

 

I'm not interested in your complaints about Trump.

 

The British considered them "Terrorist" or "Rebels" and where hung when caught.

 

Rioters and looters are to be shot.....the only way to break the run away "mob" mentality.

 

Dude - we are past that. You can call the pope a terrorist if you like .. but if you can't show that Antifa has done anything that warrants that label - even by your own definition (which I don't agree with but whatever) - then your claim is bunk.

I don't know that much about Antifa to be honest .. matters not as I am not the one claiming that Antifa are Terrorists - I have been asking for substantiation of this claim .. not just from you. Nothing so far - just avoidance , not even a coherent attempt.

When I make a claim- I back it up.. what are the names of these top Antifa Leaders .. and what acts did they direct.

Just because some clown pundit stands up and says "Russia did it" doesn't make it true. I asked for evidence for Trump - and I ask the same for Antifa.

What you are desperately trying to avoid - is

1) even if Antifa did some act - the vast majority was done by others - simply for personal gain - watching the people running into Target Store.. CNN filming from the roof - in broad daylight ... cops were busy .. and folks knew it.. word spread - pretty soon the whole neighborhood was raiding the place. That was not political and not "Antifa".

2) That this is a movement - one that has been brewing a long time .. and happened to catch fire due to a spark.

We all know that some serious force will be used if this doesn't stop - everyone gets that. What needs to happen is the leaders of the black communities to come forward and start calling for this to stop - something - before this thing gets uglier.

at the same time - there are some root cause issues that need to be addressed. You wan't to call this "Antifa" group terrorists - go ahead. this does not change the fact that there are some root cause issues that need to be addressed .. ones that have little to do with Antifa.

3) you are not consistent within your definition of terrorism .. - assuming you have given one. There have been many definitions given.

 

So Shea calls Antifa anarchists and - and accuses them of looting bricks - but doesn't explain why these bricks that were left in quiet residential neighborhoods ?

Not much there there ..

 

That is generally what we do with them is it not

 

https://saraacarter.com/suspected-a...ing-riots-turned-in-to-police-by-his-parents/

This happened in Pittsburgh, PA. And there have been other arrests made in connection with the terrorist group. Likely though, I imagine people will cling to the FBI's chasing after the 3 "boogaloo"(what a stupid name) criminals in Las Vegas.

Christopher Wray's had a very awful last few months, we will likely have yet another new FBI director but this time Trump needs to totally go out of the box for the next director. Someone with "ties" to the organization is bound to keep it on its inept path.

 

I have already done that on this forum. Terrorism is the use of fear to accomplish a goal.

 

Is it fair to conclude from this post that you concede the point that Conner Betts was a committed leftist and Antifa supporter?

 

I'm happy to.

CNN:

Snopes - Was Dayton Mass Shooter a Self-Described ‘Pro-Satan Leftist Who Supported Elizabeth Warren’?

USA Today - Dayton shooting: What we know about the gunman's politics

NBC News

Your thoughts?

 

We've plowed this ground already. You used a link that gave false information to back up your opinion of what constitutes terrorism. I informed you of the US legal codes definition of terrorism that Trump used to make his decision.
What we have here is the difference between liberals and conservatives on display. Conservatives base their opinions on facts while liberals base their opinions on emotion and fake news.Thanks for the opportunity to shine a spotlight on that.

 

"assuming you have given one. "

More evidence of the pointlessness of making any effort.

 

Terrorism involves, without sounding trite,...terror. It is meant to frighten the general public. It has a peripheral purpose to turn the public against the terrorists. This is somewhat counterintuitive but it is based on the idea that a public that is both terrorized and horrified by the terrorists will demand that the government adopt countermeasures that are strongly repressive. The public, it is theorized, has a short memory and will eventually forget they asked for this very repression themselves and then become ripe for revolution.

At least that is the raw theory of Trotskyite Terrorism as I understand it. You have to remember that even Trotsky himself turned against his own precepts at the end of his life

One modification of the above ideology that is not at all as difficult to understand is what ISIS wishes to accomplish by being so amazingly cruel and unjust to everyone that runs afoul of it. They are trying to turn the world against the Islamic religion itself, so people will treat Muslims badly and these Muslims will then become radicalized and ripe for recruitment. Going by what I've seen on this board, they are succeeding very well in that objective, at least for some here

In any case, Antifa are not terrorists. You have to cause terror to be terrorists and they don't even scare me

 

The most obvious "crazy" thing about it is THIS:

Many of the so-called "ANTIFA" are actually bankrolled, trained, and supported by Trump"s Dirty Tricks False Flag Slush Fund.

^Common Knowledge that is Indisputable.

So yes, Trump's "designation" of said group is "crazy".

Poor Lil' Donnie, Totally Clueless...

 

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Antifa is nothing more than a terrorist organization that has proven itself to be such, numerous times, throughout the years of its existence. It uses fascist tactics against others to silence them, and one cannot be opposed to fascism when they use fascist tactics against others.

 

“It’s not a war on drugs, it’s a war on personal freedom.”
— Bill Hicks

The war on drugs was a tool to suppress political dissidents and undesirables from its inception. And throughout the years transitioned into a business model to increase incarceration rates for private prisons to get more of that delicious state and federal funding. You’re not going to go down Wall Street or K Street patting down bankers and lobbyists for the coke in their pockets, you go after disenfranchised communities that don’t have the political pull or resources to fight petty charges. This divide in the justice system has further entrenched that disenfranchisement, and the system is shocked when it receives well deserved backlash.

The nature of this system has created a culture to justify its abuse. Worse, it’s manufactured a cycle to narrate flawed reasoning. The unfortunate circumstances built a machine that can’t reform itself, and is perpetually trapped in a state of denial.

 

Sharing facebook posts isn’t what I would consider “committed,” that’s very minimal participation.

 

I'm not up on the terms. Is this trolling, flamebaiting, or both?

 

Ah then allow me to retract the word "committed". Do we agree that the mass-murderer Conner Betts was a leftist and Antifa supporter?

 

When did crazy conspiracy theories become your cup of tea?

 

It is standard procedure I would think in most nations - to take harsh measures - what ever it takes - to deter full scale rioting and chaos.

Don't think we can tar any one group with this - this narrative bothers me as it distracts from root cause investigation. We have tons of camera footage - who knows what will come in from individuals after the fact. We will identify who we can and charge who they want to charge .. be it "Antifa" "BLM" or the 90% who are not affiliated with a group.

Charging one of these people with "Terrorism" - now known as "Domestic Terrorism" - will depend on the crime - and should depend on the crime.

My concern is where the bar gets lowered to. "Communication for the purposes of setting a car on fire" Where do you figure that would rank. A bar that low would disturb me.

You don't get to be FBI director without being vetted - by some organization - and this person will likely have some ties to the FBI. Either way - the Status Quo will be maintained.

Then we have to figure out how to address the legitimate concerns of the Protesters. Address the "root causes" - primarily - bad Law/Legislation - coming from bad policy "War on Drugs" .. "War on Terror" .. and the latest war "War on Fake News - aka war on the media"

Each policy initiative comes with a gratuitious amount of Orwellian doublespeak - Obama "If we want increases security - We have to give a little" - justifying the NSA en mass domestic spying program .. for which Clapper was not charged .. despite lying to Congress (Felony 1) .. about the program - that program being "Felony 2".

Heck .. Clapper was not even punished kept his job and remained in high regard. - how does that work ? So once again .. lest we forget .. Ben Franklin "those who would give up essential liberty for temp security deserve neither" - cause apparently the Harvard Constitutional Scholar and civil rights activist forgot.

In the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" - "Give me Liberty or Death" - the citizens are now on their knees - hiding in corners "begging" to give up essential liberty - over a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from walking.

In this land it is now our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty - ushered in by Bush - but was continuing on Daddy's work. Obama then change the name of the act to the equally Orwelian doublespeak "Freedom Act"

These riots and looting on the other hand do justify "temporary" suspension of liberties. My concern is those who would use this crisis to capitalize for political gain or to push yet another insidious agenda to further trample essential liberty.