Trumps Immunity.

So, you then are saying there are republicans that don't care about election laws and voters vote being what determines the president.

Only Democrats? I don't believe only Dems care about correct elections.
Afterall, at least 18 Senate republicans voted for the VP EC law.

And in the house...

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2021304

 

Here's what I actually said. So no need for you to guess.

Although, I did mispost and call it trumps rally. It was not his rally, at least organized publicly by him.

 

Trump would be responsible if he had said to riot. Since he didn't, then no.

 

Since you put it that way, the Democrats tried to overturn the 2016 election. It's obvious they don't care about voter's votes.

 

Projecting isn't debate nor discourse, it's desperation of being exposed. Backup your claims instead of doing what you accuse others of. Put up or....

 

@dairyair
This is so simple...
nothing has changed with this ruling .... no president, past or present, could have ever walked out and murdered someone on the street and not be removed from office and prosecuted for murder ...

To think otherwise is laughable..... it was that way before this ruling and after this ruling..... this was never and will never be a "trump immunity" issue they ruled on, it was a presidential immunity.... yea.... like... ALL presidents...

 

Yeah, we all knew you couldn't do it...lol

 

Clutching at desperate strawmen of projection isn't effective. Hope this helps...

 

Try telling that to Trunp and the GOP then. They keep claiming we are not strong and people are buying that crapola too.

 

I have not seen them claim that our Republic will fall if a date for a symbolic ceremony is missed for whatever reason. Such as assertion is ridiculous.

 

I never denied the existence of a date being set. Stop bogusly pretending that I did.

Lets think of this in a different way. Since you bizarrely believe that this date cannot be altered and our entire Republic hangs in the balance, is it your belief that a catastrophic earthquake hitting DC on that date could throw out the vote of the public because this date has been missed because the symbolic certification was not possible on that proscribed date? You honestly think this poison pill for our Republic exists due to a proscribed date for a symbolic ceremony?

Do you REALLY think that our Republic is that weak? How can you think this? Your position is 100% without merit.

 

All I'm saying is that, if that date is missed, the SC might rule that date was missed. That would make it a House issue.

 

Trump knows his audience. it is why Trump said that "he hopes Pence will do the right thing." The trouble is for Trump, Pence did the right thing by not accepting any challenge to the official results of the states, both Democratic lead and Republican-led. That is when all hell broke loose with some 1000 plus protesters storming the gates with more than three dozen police officers hurt and injured by the said crowd. Some were breaking windows, trying to force their way into the barricades, yelling, "Hang Pence!" or "Hang Pelosi" or similar statements. Some of them who stormed the capitol even acknowledged that they were influenced by Trump's rhetoric when admitting their guilt in a plea bargain or after they were found guilty by their peers. Additionally, we have phone logs between the WH and leaders of the insurrection from months before the attack up to moments before the attack on Capitol Hill. But you won't hear that from Fox, Newsmaxx, conservative talk radio, podcasts, the internet, and social media. It is not blatantly obvious, but it is there to see when a person knows what his audience is capable of and what to do if nudged the right way. It is also why leaders should be more prudent in what they say and how they say it than anything else.

 

Do you believe that a poorly timed earthquake could invalidate the vote of the American public? That really is the end result of your position.

There is no way that is correct. The Republic is far stronger than that. I dont care what some whackjob interpretation of the Constitution being pushed by by some leftist has told you. They are wrong. I am not pretending to be a Constitutional scholar, but there is no way that an arbitrary date for a symbolic ceremony could end our Republic. Whomever is feeding this nonsense to you is being bombastic and dishonest.

 

Yes. Dude. You need to actually read the Constitution. There are situations in which the House, instead of the EC, can select the president. Read it. Try some of that honestly you claim to care about. And this is part of what Trump was pushing for. Though I do find your whole "It is okay to try to commit a crime as long as you fail" argument rather intriguing.

 

Then you have not been listening to Trump's campaign speeches recently. Or call it doom and gloom. Even some MAGA members on this board have made those statements in referencing LGBTQ issues, ethnicity issues with the "great replacement" conspiracy theory, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O8G62j0sUCU?app=desktop
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-07-11/the-doom-and-gloom-of-donald-trumps-gop

 

The chances of that happening at that exact moment is beyond remote. The invalidity of any election is when the outcome is not so sure, like the local election in Houston. Not so much with the Presidential election when 51 different voting systems are in play, each run by the state, and a certification process. There are challenges that can be done, but all of them, and I do mean all of them, failed. Case closed for 2020, but Trump is still harping on it like a sore loser complaining about everything that didn't go his way.

 

Nonsense.

Answer the question...taking your position to its logical conclusion do you believe that a poorly times earthquake would overturn the vote of the nation because the symbolic date was missed?


**Asserting an executive privilege that is later declared unconstitutional is NOT a crime. Claiming that it is a crime is an out-and-out lie.

 

. . . yes. If no one wins the EC vote . . . it goes to the House . . . that's literally the ****ing point, dude.

 

I have no intention of going off on your strawman argument.

Sorry.

 

Remote or not, the principle remains. Our Republic is not so fragile that a remedy is not available if a symbolic ceremony for whatever reason has its proscribed date missed. The claim that it would invalidate the vote is silly.

 

Why have you not answered my very straight forward, direct question?

Do you honestly think that an earthquake on the wrong date would mean that therefore we are constitutionally bound to invalidate the vote of the American public?

You won't answer because you know I am right. Of course it would not invalidate the vote. Our Republic is not that fragile. You have been misled. Of course there are not poison pills contained in the Constitution that would invalidate the vote because an arbitrarily proscribed date was missed.

 

The post was not about “a slew of civilians;” we were talking about an American civilian who had not been charged with a crime. Personally I agreed with Obama’s actions. The guy he had killed was an anal opening. My point was Obama could be charged if there were not presidential immunity. That’s why the Supreme Court majority ruled as it did.

 

No strawman argument. Trump and some GOP members have said this literally, quite literally. Cannot be more clear than that. Or are you afraid of what your own candidate is saying? Are you going to be like German citizens who claimed nothing about what was going on in those camps at the end of WW2? That is a rhetorical question for you.

 

Yes it is a strawman argument.

You are arguing against a point that I never raised. I am discussing the Constitution not being so porous that missing an arbitrarily assigned date for a symbolic ceremony is going to invalidate the publics vote. You are arguing Republicans complaining about things being bad such as the economy etc. This has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Literally nothing.

Not interested. Sorry.