Trump's Wall.

Well, if the abomination in the White House gets it's way, Mexico won't be paying for THE WALL after all, you will!. Unless, like your president, you don't pay your taxes.
White House officials pressed congressional Republicans on Sunday to use the looming threat of a government shutdown to win taxpayer funding ($1.5 billion this year) for a wall along the border between the United States and Mexico, a top priority for the administration as it nears the symbolic 100-day mark.
I really don't think that fulfills his campaign promise, but do correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

More complaining from the left. It's impossible to make them happy unless they get their way with things. It's their way or the highway and America chose the highway.

There is nothing wrong with having a wall to slow down the flow of illegals and drugs and I would put some of my taxes to this. Obama supported illegals and you were probably ok with that. I think Trump is on the right path as for dealing with our illegal problem.

 

He is taking money away from programs that do reduce illegals and drugs crossing the border (Coast Guard) to build a wall that he himself said won't. ("maybe a rope.")
The epitome of stupidity.

 

Nancy Pelosi says a Mexican border wall is a "sign of weakness". Normally, I pretty much dismiss anything Pelosi espouses, but, on this occasion I actually agree with Nancy. Illegal immigration is at historically low levels, sans border wall. So rather than invest billion$ in a wall that's likely to have mixed results, I think deploying tens of thousands of National Guardsmen is the "show of strength" a meager wall is lacking. Thousands upon thousands of heavily armed US troops conducting their field training while simultaneously securing the border. Brilliant Nancy!

 

We need anything that will impair the flow of human trafficers, smugglers, disease spreaders, and gangsters. Then, we need the manpower to round up and evict those already here illegally.

 

The key though is that the wall, once built, will minimize immigration even if a nutcase like Hillary gets in.

 

First off ... it's NOT Trumps wall.It's the Country's Border wall.
What many americans viewed as very important.
Unless you think those like Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein
don't have remarkable gates and expensive fences around their
less than humble abode's in sunny Cal-I-For-Nye Aye.
Don't kid yerself.I doubt there is one Democrat Senator w/o
some kind of fancy manicured lawn with nice fenced-in yards.

Where on earth where you in 2014-15 when Train loads and
busloads of Illegals { many moms with their tots } were shipped here
by the bunch load { as if Bananas }.

 

And right on cue too. The problem with you is you don't hold the President to his promise. Millions chanted "Mexico" as the mighty one yelled "Who's going to pay for the wall" but now you say you are ok that tax payers will pay for it? The hypocrisy stinks.

 

Except National Guardsmen are not trained in policing, not to mentioned the Governors will not allow it.

 

No, actually the majority of Americans did NOT choose the Trump way, unless you believe yet another one of his oh, so obvious lies.
Again, why bring up Obama? He wasn't running against Trump, was he? Why would you assume, just because I think a very, very expensive and basically useless wall would be a total waste of money, that I favor letting illegal aliens abuse the system and live Scott free in my country?
As for a wall,why do you think it will make a whole lot of difference? Where there already are walls and fences, the illegals and drugs come under them, around them and over them. Where there aren't, like the whole east and west coasts of this country, the drugs and illegals still come in pretty easily from all over the world.
Ask anyone who has fought the "war on drugs" how well those billions of dollars helped.
The answer isn't a wall. It's punishing employers who hire illegals. It's stopping the users from wanting to buy drugs. EVERYBODY with any intelligence knows these things.
The wall is just a rallying cry for those too unintelligent to see that it will be valueless. Trump is not the 'master of the deal' as he thinks he is, but a con man who has bamboozled a big bunch of disenfranchised Americans, by promising that he and he alone, can solve all their problems. In fact, almost every proposal he has put forth to that end will, in the long run, put many more people out of work, take away any chance their children may have had at a cheap or even free education and destroy medical care and social security for their old age.
For YOUR old age!

 

"Trump's folly" is likely how history will remember this asinine idea of a wall.

 

Trump typically latches onto a thought and never analyzes the relevance of it.

There has been much talk about US President-elect Donald Trump’s hardline stance on immigration.

It makes a good stump speech! However as usual it wasn't his idea. He stole it from President Obama

Immigration has been on the decline since 2010. 7 years ago.

President Obama known as the deporter in Chief. He deported 2.5 million illegal immigrants

But Trump inherited a well-oiled deportation infrastructure from the Obama administration, which has deported 2.5 million people
- more than every single US president of the 20th century combined.

In fact Trump will have a hard time keeping up with President Obama immigration record

Don't need the wall. Keep that 28 Billion dollars in Taxpayer Pockets

 

At the risk of repeating myself I shall repeat myself.

A wall will have absolutely no effect deterring illegals or illegal drugs entering the country as Trump himself pointed out.
The great wall of China did not stop Genghis Kahn and that was hundreds of years ago why does anyone think it'd work today? All the wall will do is waste a great deal of money and give the US a black eye and an eyesore and ultimately, since it diverts funds from programs that are effective in curtailing illegal drugs, like the Coast Guard, it will have a negative effect on interdiction as well. It's a lose lose proposition.

 

I get that, but the only way to negotiate with a liberal is to present them with a "lesser of 2 evils" proposition ... Libs lack critical thinking skills ... you have to reduce issues to the simplest of terms ... (A) or (B) pick one.

 

Which brings up another point. Do you really believe that if Clinton had won that "You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it," he said. "Think of it. That's what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week." as Trump tweeted and repeated? Is this why you want the wall, to prevent an influx of 650 million?

 

The Democrats would rather shut down the Government than block new Democrat voters from entering the country. They will pay a very heavy price in Nov 2018.

 

The republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House and you think the democrats are trying to shut down government? How exactly could they do that?

 

Your statement is a bit of a non sequitur, isn't it?
The Republicans SHUT DOWN THE US GOVERNMENT TWICE didn't they, and still went on to hold a majority in congress? I guess you've got a really short memory.
Anyway, the abomination in the White House has backed down, failing his supporters again (on his biggest campaign promise, by the way) and nobody even had to shut down anything, unlike the Republicans who lost both times even with their shutdowns.

 

Of course we think Government is to big as it is. Using your logic the Republicans will gain more if it's shut down again. Shutting Government down is only a sin for the Democrat constituents.

 

Oh for crying out loud.
It is millions of regular, hard working AMERICAN PEOPLE who lose when the government is shut down, whether they are Republicans or Democrats, it matters not one iota. Congress gets paid, they make sure of that.
The only sin is that there is an abomination in the White House who has let his supporters down TWICE on TWO major campaign promises, and those supporters still can't see how badly they have been hoodwinked. No change in ACA or movement on the wall. Those are things he promised he would do on day 1, if you remember his campaign. Nothing but more lies and deceit from the most dishonest politician in modern times. Read 'em and weep.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-false-statements-20160925-snap-story.html
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-presidents-liars-dishonest-fabulists-214024

 

I couldn't care less who pays for it so long as it's done.

Really, Mexico paying for a wall was honestly just the icing on the cake for his supporters.

 

What do you. Think this wall will do?
Slow drugs? Most drugs are made in the USA now the exceptions being cocaine and heroin. Domino's can deliver a pizza to your house via air do you think the wall will stop drones?
As Trump himself said ladder one side rope the other. However, since going around near the wall with ladders would attract unwanted attention, the wall will have the effect of keeping illegals IN the USA. Because there's no going home illegals will be more inclined to bring their families.

It will also cause breeding problems for some animals and make the USA look like the Soviets in Berlin.

So what does $20 billion gets us besides further in debt?

 

When politicians lie should Americans not complain and demand better?

Source citation needed for the above claim if argued as fact.

Without a cost benefit analysis being made public, how do you know that the wall be worth the investment if other than it just being your opinion?

 

Ted Cruz has already proposed a cost plan that costs us nothing as I stated in another thread I recently started. Drug cartels will pay for the wall.

The wall will slow down the flow of illegals. If you disagree then explain to me how ordinary civilians that don't have the funding or the means like the drug cartels do will get over the wall or barbed wire? I just don't see it. I can see drug cartels digging tunnels etc to get past the wall but a poor family probably won't.

As for the drugs well I think this wall will slow that down too. Ice and border patrol will have an easier time watching our borders but maybe I am wrong. Drug cartels seem to find their way into America full of drugs.