Turkish troops cross into Syria; Iran launches military drill near Turkish border: reports

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Oh? OK.:flagus:

    Trump = The NEXT "Father of ISIS".:salute:
     
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    This is what I love about America. Squabbling about staying in another money sink in the Middle East that serves no American interest. How many trillions did we blow in the Iraq war? What is the result today? I think America did a few billion in trade last year with Iraq. Meanwhile China did 30 billion dollars of business in Iraq last year and just signed MONUMENTAL agreements with Iraq to rebuild it. What in the holy hell is America doing? Deliberately destroying our economy to create a leviathan empire in China? Did you see the NBA taking a knee before China today in abject apology for a member of the NBA standing up for Hong Kong? China is increasingly controlling more and more and more and they never have to spend a dime in ridiculous wars. They just come in after them and clean up economically without accepting even a single refugee...... absolute insanity.

    https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/23092019

     
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    Yep, we have forgotten about how to do diplomacy, regressing into partisanship within Washington. I said absolutely nothing about staying. I mean is having 50 soldiers there to stop an "ally" from attacking, staying? To me, not really, but you really should have come up with something better before just willy nilly leaving. It is absolutely crazy.

    I agree it's not just Trump. Trump is just the cover.
     
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    doing the right thing and being good people is in America's interest
     
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    Totally agree! We spend our resources on Middle East ensuring stable oil deliveries when absolute majority of oil in the US comes from American continents - so we waste a ton of money and lives to make sure Germans, Italians and Chinese have a stable access to oil. This allows Europeans to have generous social safety nets at the expense of their military commitments.
    The US should give the EU a formal warning - in 90 days we pull out of the Middle East and whatever happens - happens. If they want us there then we should literally impose a tax on EU and force them to pay for the expenses.
    The current set up is just insane!
     
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    yep, the double standard is what I am pointing out, the right seems to be giving Trump a pass

    so when are Trump supporters gonna chant "LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP"

    btw, I don't hate Trump, I just think he is unqualified to be President and bad for the country and the world as President
     
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    if they create nukes it won't be worth it
     
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    After he has been tried and convicted.
     
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    America made a deal with Iran, America broke the deal with Iran, America did not keep their word - yes it was Trump that broke the deal, but he represents America
     
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    the right chanted that before Clinton was tried and convicted, double standard?
     
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    You only see it that way out of your never Trump attitude.
     
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    Clinton never stood trial for her crimes. Republicans let her skate, just like they let her husband skate for his.
     
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    neither has Trump
     
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    Yet
     
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    hopefully, but doubt he ever will
     
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    it's just the facts, Trump represents America in the same way Obama did....

    read my posts from here, I was once a Trump supporter, I realized he was unfit for office before the election and he has proved I was right, sad others did not see it until it was too late
     
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    So Trump doesn't represent America? Because we did break that deal, whether you agree with it or not.
     
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    War is fake outrage?
    A war we agreed to by pulling out our troops.
     
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    I don't disagree about Trump's fitness but as I have said many times before, he is vastly superior to his competitors.
     
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    Not in the same way congress represents us. Had congress turned the agreement into a treaty. I'd feel differently about the issue.
    Obama did it unilaterally because he knew congress would never ratify it as a treaty because it was a bad deal.

    You shouldn't make bad deals because it's the best you can get, at least not when you have the stronger position.
     
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    to be honest, can't say, not sure of whom the republicans running against him are

    but at least we agree on Trump's fitness to be President
     
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    What was bad about it, enough to pull out? It was being upheld according to what we know, Iran was not progressing in making nuclear weapons. Now they are so how was it good to pull out?

    You say we had the strong position. How?
     
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    I suppose you think giving them billions of dollars was going to keep them from building nukes. Peace in our time and all that, huh?
     
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    There is no defacto state of ISIS anymore. Just some individuals who should be executed asap.
     
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