U.S. Army Prepares for Large-Scale Global Combat as New Chief of Staff Takes Command

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Throughout history there is evidence of wars being created by those who profit from them. Do some research on the subject and you will find it is true.
     
  2. Dayton3

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    Japan deploying nuclear weapons would have a dangerous ripple effect across all of Asia. From Russia to Pakistan.

    And how do you suggest we switch to a "nuclear focused defensive posture"? We can't simply threaten to use nuclear weapons as a threat means nothing given that no nuclear weapon has been used in combat in about 75 years. Plus there is the inability to contain nuclear exchanges to certain areas.

    The common thinking is that 5 kiloton nuclear warheads falling on armored divisions and naval task forces would inevitably lead to 500 kiloton warheads targeted on cities.

    Better to send 500,000 soldiers into combat and lose 5-10,000 than have nuclear weapons hitting cities.
     
  3. Dayton3

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    I don't want some generic "throughout history" answer. I want you to name individuals who have started wars and then profited from them.

    I'm betting you can't do it.
     
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    Make up your mind lady. Do you want us to fight your battles for you and police the high seas for you etc, or do you want to call us bullies and demand we stay on our continent?
     
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    Wasn't there such an organization like NATO and it's treaties?
     
  6. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Global financial debt. There is a huge public and private debt. A lot of people doing "pretty decent money" have still a below zero patrimony because they own much more money than they have (student debt).
     
  7. Dayton3

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    Which obligates the U.S. to help defend more than 20 other countries.
     
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  8. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Student debt is a choice people make. Sucks to be them but it has no bearing on the economy as a whole.
     
  9. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your "explanations" are about as credible as John Bolton's or Donald Trump's, which is to say they are not credible at all.
     
  10. HockeyDad

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    There was a time that when we meddled in a country, we didn't have to open our country up to hordes of people from the bombed country, that time has past.

    How does destroying Iraq and then bringing in thousands of Iraqi refugees defend America? How does bombing Syria and then bringing in thousands of Syrian refugees defend America? How does bombing Somalia and then bringing in thousands of Somalian refugees defend America? I would like a comprehensive explanation on why our foreign policy of bombing Muslims and then importing them does anything other than weaken and expose our country. What you call defense of America, I call suicide.
     
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  11. Dayton3

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    I see no reason for the U.S. to allow large numbers of Iraqis, Syrians or Somalians into the U.S.

    And the U.S. did not "destroy" Iraq or either of those other nations
     
  12. jay runner

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    " . . . the United States is NOT defendable within its own borders."

    Shouldn't the USA surrender to the highest bidder, probably China, if that is the case, that is, if we don't know what a bloody, killthirsty stand against an enemy is in the homeland?
     
  13. VotreAltesse

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    Not really. If there would be for any reason a lot of students unable to pay their debt, it could cause some banks to close as Goldman Sachs did in 2008. A too big amount of private debt can have negative effects on the economics as a whole. Furthermore, when all your young people are unable to invest and create because they have already too much student debt, it hinder an economy as a whole. Some economists fear that the student debt could be a time bomb such was the subprimes in 2008.
    I would agree that the student debt wouldn't be a problem if the US didn't had that much of public debt.

    A big part of conflicts is ressource managements. Great economic power were aswell able to deal efficiently with supply lines. Such was the case for instance of the roman empire. The napoleonic army had an advantage not only from a strategic point of view but because of innovations such the one of Nicolas Aper : canned food.

    We could argue furthermore that the USA lost a lot of valuable men in their conflicts like Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq. In both Afghanistan and Iraq, the US lost not only 5000 soldiers because of their death, but many more because of the massive amount of physical and psychological trauma. It's maybe much less than during WW2, but I suppose that the country was more able to recover such wounds at that time.
    It's not the lazy and the egoistical that you loose, but the one which were patriotic and willing to serve their country.

    In 1999 two chinese officers published a book named "unrestricted warfare". I think it would be interesting for you to read it.
     
  14. HockeyDad

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    Well then you disagree with a America's foreign policy..... which is to bomb Muslims and then import them.

    Look at the population growth rate for Muslims in the Americas and the population growth for everybody else. That population growth rate is fueled by our wars. America is following the European model of attacking Christianity by importing its most tenacious enemy. You need to realize that the elites
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  15. PARTIZAN1

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    Of course we need quick response groups, some with multi service components, and more aircraft carrier battle groups. We need to have more Regular Force components and not have to rely on Guard and Reserve units so much. In other words shied can the Dickles Cheney plan model of over using Reserve and Guard forces and go with good patriotic American military plans.

    It is logical that we need global strategic and tactical forces ready to strike anywhere on the globe.

    Those of you who criticize. NeoCons should rethink it and see that even NeoCons have done good ideas. And that one guy who called NeoCons "scum of the earth" you Ned to rethink that.
     
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  16. Dayton3

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    That has nothing to do with Dick Cheney. In the aftermath of the Vietnam War in the 1970s, General Creighton Abrams,outraged by draftees avoiding service in Vietnam by entering the reserves and National Guard said

    "We're not going to war again unless the Guard comes with us".

    So under Abrams direction, the U.S. Army (especially) set about restructuring its active duty forces so that they were so dependent on National Guard forces for key support that it become effectively impossible for the regular U.S. Army to fight a large scale war without massive call ups of Guard and Reserve troops.
     
  17. Paul7

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    Defense is only 15% of our budget, entitlements are 60%.

    The military-industrial complex was never larger than when Ike was using it to win WWII.
     
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    You are absolutely wrong. When Fickles Cheney was Sec of Def he outlined the Cheney Doctrine which was the reorganization of the armed forces. That was a policy decision. One general does not make policy like that.
     
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    Agree.

    Bring home everything that we're not contractually obligated (via treaties and alliances) to provide.

    And start renegotiating those treaties and alliances.
     
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    A Vice President doesn't either.
     
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    He postured the Cheney doctrine when he was Secretary of Defense.
    Did you recall that Cheney was Secretary of Defense from 1889 to 1993 or did you conveniently forget that those years existed in the history of the US?
     
  22. Dayton3

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    Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense for 104 years??? Not that's quite a feat!!!!

    I know what you meant. Can you post a link where Cheney made those changes while he was Sec. of Defense? I really want to read up on them.
     
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    Eight days after the invasion of Iraq on March 19 2003, Paul Wolfowitz, then deputy defence secretary and a leading proponent of the war, told a Congressional committee: "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon."
    A decade later, that assessment could hardly have turned out to be more wrong.
    The US has overwhelmingly borne the brunt of both the military and reconstruction costs, spending at least $138bn on private security, logistics and reconstruction contractors, who have supplied everything from diplomatic security to power plants and toilet paper.

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/business/iraq-war-contractors/index.html
     
  24. Nightmare515

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    People are reading way too much into this and making this a bigger deal than it really is.

    Basically whats going on is the US military is returning to the more traditional "conventional war" mode from the Counter Insurgency type role that we've been doing for the past 2 decades. The military is simply training and gearing up to fight near peer threats again like Russia, China, etc instead of terrorist organizations. The US has focused so much of it's time and energy on counter terrorism for the past few decades that many servicemembers are poorly trained to even do their specific jobs in the traditional sense because we've had everybody from gun bunnies to tankers kicking in doors in the desert or mountains the entire time.

    The US military is designed to fight conventional wars against nations with similar capabilities to our own. Our entire military doctrinal battle plans are set up that way. We had to learn how to be quasi cops and counter insurgency operators. The US military needs to maintain it's ability to wipe the floor with other powerful world nations in the conventional war sense as was the case in the 80s and 90s before the terrorism wars kicked off.

    We're simply going back to that state of readiness instead of counter terrorism. That's all.

    All of these catch phrases such as global presence and quick response are things we've been doing for decades none of this is new or even really newsworthy....
     
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    https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/03/18/Analysis-Guard-role-may-be-revised/6710669272400/
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/43986372?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    Cheney was talking Force reduction of regular and Guard units but then after the reductions guard and reserve units began being used more and more.
    That all came out of the Cheney force reduction plan.
     

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