U.S. college attendance is falling

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem with that is the fallacy of composition.
    What holds true for the individual may not necessarily hold true for the population taken together as a whole.
    More education will not necessarily decrease unemployment for a whole society.

    However, on an individual level, eventually an equilibrium point will be reached, where the personal costs (time, effort, money, risk) will no longer be perceived to be worth it, for a rising share of the population.
     
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    Regardless of that, it's worth it for my sons to go to college. You don't have to send your children to college.
     
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    And a good proportion of that debt is to physicians and lawyers who have no problems paying it back.
     
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    Maybe they're just waiting for it to be free. Oh man made myself laugh again.
     
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    if that was true, it wouldn't be a debt
     
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    Ironically enough, that is precisely what Founding Father Thomas Jefferson advocated.
     
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    Is this the part where you try to equate health care for sailors to giving health care to illegal aliens.
     
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    Who? Trump's illegal pals in the Russian Mafia??
     
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    Are you mad that I got ahead of your health care for sailors argument that you worked on so hard?
     
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    Since Warren is complaining about the cost of a college education, someone should ask her why she got paid $400k to teach one class.
     
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    That's hilarious.

    "Here look at my blog. It says Jefferson thought health was important, ipso facto he'd want us to pay for illegal aliens medicare."

    Great argument.
     
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    Melania is an illegal alien so lets be rid of her so that we can save money on her health care. ;)
     
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    A law degree even from night school isn't worthless, but unless you had a specific goal in mind it probably wasn't a good investment of time and money considering the surplus of law school graduates. Law schools all around the country are in economic trouble as people start to wise up.

    If you are going to an Ivy league school, then I say go for it because you can parlay connections and the status of an Ivy league degree into a Biglaw job, but otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it.
     
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    Actually, she's a citizen. She's never been an illegal alien, although she has (from what I can gather) worked here illegally (she made money as a model on a tourist visa).
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    No, she's a legal immigrant. Do you honestly think Trump would marry an illegal alien for only to campaign on a border wall down South to begin with? It would make literally no sense.

    Do you people even know and understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration?
     
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    It's worth pointing out that the entries they examined for those payments were a) a few weeks before she was granted her visa and b) not bank statements, but internal accounting documents.

    It does not mean she was paid or worked before she got her visa.

    Since we're talking about the early 90's, direct deposit wasn't much of a thing yet, so they were probably just printing out the checks in advance.

    Back then, when you wrote a check, you deducted it from your balance when you wrote it......even though it might not clear for weeks.
     
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    Time Magazine has released an article titled "Too Many High School Seniors Are Turning Away from College Altogether". (May 2023)
    They also cite a survey that says that suggests that more than half of Americans do not even think college is worth the investment.

    In April, a Wall Street Journal-NORC poll found that 56% of Americans think that a college degree is not worth the cost, the highest rate in the survey’s ten-year history. These attitudes are also reflected in the actions of our youngest generation, as fewer students opt to pursue a college degree. In February, the National College Clearinghouse reported the sixth straight year of declining enrollment in 2- or 4-year colleges. In 2021, there were 1.8 million fewer undergraduates enrolled in college than there were in 2017.

    Americans Are Losing Faith in College Education, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds Confidence in value of a degree plummeted among women and senior citizens during pandemic, Wall Street Journal, Douglas Belkin, March 31, 2023
     
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    I see it as a good trend, other than voters being dumber. College just isn't needed for the skillset of most jobs. If you're going to be an engineer, lawyer, doctor - yes college and more is needed. I think one issue is many people go into college having no idea what they want to do or are willing to do, and go to college to find out. If it turns out what they want to do doesn't really require a college degree, that's a lot of wasted money. Traditionally a lot of employers have required it as a rite of passage more than an actual indicator of skills, but hopefully that's changing.
     
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    And Biden and the Dems want to use the same failed Obama policies that sent the LFPR down the toilet in spite of running the deficit to $1,400B and over $1,000B for the next three years to stimulate us into a recovery.

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    https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
     
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    I think more and more are turning to vocational training because what has happened in upper education as far as cost and outcomes and what students have to put up with. We have huge opportunities for welding, electrical, fitting, hydraulics which gets into automation and PLC programming and even shorter business degrees that concentrate on business and not a liberal arts full blown degree. An huge company is building a new plant down here and partnered with the county school system to build a 70,000 vocational training center and they just announced the first class at the next door high school to attend. They can attend classes there junior and senior years at this point. They can graduate into immediate employment at $50-$100K a year,
     
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