U.S. Drones Kill More Than 30 in Yemen; School Targeted in One Attack

That must have been President Johnson's thinking when he ordered the nuclear bombs to drop on Egypt like Charlie Sheen on a porn star!

 

The terrorist hiding behind children is the coward. Once we locate him we're not going to let him go just because he has a group of kids around him. He's a dead man once we see him even if he's talking to the Allah in person. So kids will never save him.

 

We bombed Mississippi, not Egypt.

 

No body trusts America, only the still brainwashed brickwall which is the American public.

 

Living under Drones ....... Stanford and NY report

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/


First, while civilian casualties are rarely acknowledged by the US government, there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians. In public statements, the US states that there have been “no” or “single digit” civilian casualties.”[2] It is difficult to obtain data on strike casualties because of US efforts to shield the drone program from democratic accountability, compounded by the obstacles to independent investigation of strikes in North Waziristan. The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.[3] TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals. Where media accounts do report civilian casualties, rarely is any information provided about the victims or the communities they leave behind. This report includes the harrowing narratives of many survivors, witnesses, and family members who provided evidence of civilian injuries and deaths in drone strikes to our research team. It also presents detailed accounts of three separate strikes, for which there is evidence of civilian deaths and injuries, including a March 2011 strike on a meeting of tribal elders that killed some 40 individuals.

Second, US drone strike policies cause considerable and under-accounted-for harm to the daily lives of ordinary civilians, beyond death and physical injury. Drones hover twenty-four hours a day over communities in northwest Pakistan, striking homes, vehicles, and public spaces without warning. Their presence terrorizes men, women, and children, giving rise to anxiety and psychological trauma among civilian communities. Those living under drones have to face the constant worry that a deadly strike may be fired at any moment, and the knowledge that they are powerless to protect themselves. These fears have affected behavior. The US practice of striking one area multiple times, and evidence that it has killed rescuers, makes both community members and humanitarian workers afraid or unwilling to assist injured victims. Some community members shy away from gathering in groups, including important tribal dispute-resolution bodies, out of fear that they may attract the attention of drone operators. Some parents choose to keep their children home, and children injured or traumatized by strikes have dropped out of school. Waziris told our researchers that the strikes have undermined cultural and religious practices related to burial, and made family members afraid to attend funerals. In addition, families who lost loved ones or their homes in drone strikes now struggle to support themselves.

Third, publicly available evidence that the strikes have made the US safer overall is ambiguous at best. The strikes have certainly killed alleged combatants and disrupted armed actor networks. However, serious concerns about the efficacy and counter-productive nature of drone strikes have been raised. The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.[4] Furthermore, evidence suggests that US strikes have facilitated recruitment to violent non-state armed groups, and motivated further violent attacks. As the New York Times has reported, “drones have replaced Guantánamo as the recruiting tool of choice for militants.”[5] Drone strikes have also soured many Pakistanis on cooperation with the US and undermined US-Pakistani rel(*)ations. One major study shows that 74% of Pakistanis now consider the US an enemy.[6]

Fourth, current US targeted killings and drone strike practices undermine respect for the rule of law and international legal protections and may set dangerous precedents. This report casts doubt on the legality of strikes on individuals or groups not linked to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and who do not pose imminent threats to the US. The US government’s failure to ensure basic transparency and accountability in its targeted killing policies, to provide necessary details about its targeted killing program, or adequately to set out the legal factors involved in decisions to strike hinders necessary democratic debate about a key aspect of US foreign and national security policy. US practices may also facilitate recourse to lethal force around the globe by establishing dangerous precedents for other governments. As drone manufacturers and officials successfully reduce export control barriers, and as more countries develop lethal drone technologies, these risks increase.

 

Of course Russia does. They just have a more respect for the rule of law at the moment. It is embarrassing.

 

It is genocide, they are killing the Tribal people for their Land, same old same old that America was built on. They are intent on wiping out all Tribal and indigenous peoples.

 

Well, I don't blame them after we nuked Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Egypt, and Mississippi.

 

Those that kill children who happen to unlucky enough to be near the bad fellow are cowards as well.

Send a team of Seals in to do the job. Sitting in a room somewhere safe while having a drone kill children is pure cowardice. Plain and simple.

 

Look at it like this: the terrorists are in the area and the locals know who they are. We know that the terrorists are in the area so we fire some hellfire missiles at them. Bystanders get killed along with the terrorists. If the locals don't want to get killed then they should expel the terrorists. It comes down to who they should fear more, the terrorists or us? If they join with the terrorists then we can kill them without any regrets. So until they get motivated to expel the terrorist from their midst they will suffer. How much more motivation do they need? We have a lot to give them.

 

As a shield against a Drone? What are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense. These things fly up in the skies over villages 24/7 for months and months and months buzzing and suddenly they fire, once and then again and again, meaning that no one dare go to help screaming children. They do not go to help for 6 hours because when they do they are hit ....purposely hit. By some fat yanky (*)(*)(*)(*) sitting in front of a screen playing a video game with real people as targets, eating donuts and drinking coffee on the other side of the World. ....................... He goes home to his wife and kids every night God it is so evil if is off the scale.

 

The good news is that the kids won't grow up to be terrorists.

 

Terrorists in their own villages? Most never leave their villages most Pakistanis hadn't even heard of America before you started killing them with Drones. And they only fight for their homes when they do fight.

There have always been terrorists as long as their have been Empires. Your, oh so Insidious Empire is so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up it pretends it isn't the most evil of Empires which our Planet has ever known and how does it manage it? By keeping its own ignorant and brainwashed.

 

No but their parents, extended family, and many other townspeople who witnessed these things will.

At least according to the US foreign Ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine and folks in the CIA.

You can celebrate all you like but when the next killing of Americans happens at least you will know why these folks are doing it.

 

They are Tribals ...............just like the American Natives. That is what you are good at eh? And that is what you will go down in History for.

 

Does the definition of collateral damage apply to Western civilians who die as a result of foreign enemies killing off high-profile targets?

On the one hand, the enemies did not intend to kill any civilians; on the other hand, the children that died were just going to grow up to be soldiers anyway.

 

I've never said that the US is a saint. People make a very fatal error when they think that we are a saint. The terrorists dared to attack us for whatever reason. That was a death sentence for them. We will kill them without mercy until they surrender. It doesn't matter who gets in the way. If they don't want their kids killed then they shouldn't surround themselves with kids. That will not save them. The locals should fear us more than they fear or love the terrorists.

 

I can't tell if you're trolling the thread or not.

 

Do you see the world through rose-colored glasses?

The discussion is about drones firing missiles at terrorists who have surrounded themselves with kids. As I pointed out, when we see a terrorist we will fire at him even if he's surrounded by kids. So the locals should expel the terrorists if they don't want their kids killed. They should fear us more than they fear or love the terrorists.

 

Let's put this another way: I'm not sure if you're using an excessive amount of hyperbole to make your argument or not.

 

We are really winning friends and influencing strangers with Obumble at the helm aren't we? I could barely stand to look at him before, now it's even worse because I know he's a murderer...just as much as if he had taken a gun and shot that little girl!

 

Do you understand the point I'm making?

 

I doubt if most Americans have even heard of the USS Liberty, let alone approve of its destruction. This is one of the subdued events in our two-tiered news/history system. What should most Americans have done about Johnson, that you condemn their lack of action?

Have you got a poll that confirms most Americans love zoning laws?

And many Americans support Israel, but they are lied to.. They don't support an armaggedon agenda. Few probably even know about the settlements. For you to extrapolate that into approval of that policy is nonsense.

As for the rest, you can't prop up a generalization just with more generalizations. I will tell you the real relevant generalization you could use instead:

Many Americans know VERY LITTLE about the true affairs regarding Israel, and other major world affairs. Many get distracted by the big news stories in the distraction tier of the two-tier news system (doping athletes, Zimmerman etc.) The stuff the media goes on about incessantly.

Many are divided and conquered by pitting our own "us vs. them" human nature against ourselves with the left/right sheep template. We are influenced by historical revisionism, linguistic revisionism, and even good old fashioned lying and coverups.

The leaders and corporations have used a LOT of clever techniques to brainwash, control and enslave. They were remarkable in their success. It is THEM who are to blame. Humans by our nature are easy to herd like sheep. Psychological research has been done into figuring out how, and now they apply it. And it is not just the USA who does this.

Now I've never asked anyone before, but since you like to argue about people themselves, why don't you put your nationality and religion on the table please. I like how you recognize the true barbaric nature and intent about American foreign policy, and point it out. Yet your speaking about Americans and Christians in these terms comes across as hate. Continue the former and drop the latter, and more people will come on board with your message.

 

How do you know they are terrorists that are being shot at with missiles?

 

Johnson never ordered that attack. The B-52 bomber was on its way to nuke the Palestinian territories and due to a malfunction, the hatch accidentally opened-up and released the bomb, and in an unfortunate coincidence, it happened to be directly on top of the Cairo town square.

BTW the target was not Charlie Sheen. It was Charlie Chaplain. Charlie Sheen wouldn't be added to the terrorist kill list until he helped make fun of Rambo with his "Hot Shots" movies. Neither would die, but tragically, Charlie Brown was on holiday to view the pyramids and would soon succumb to radiation-poisoning.