U.S. military paying for women in military to travel for abortions

If a woman gets pregnant through a result of her own actions and doesn't want the baby, why do you think she should not be the one to pay the cost for it?

It seems your side does not believe there should be consequences. Or when there ARE consequences, you believe the costs should be socialized, and everyone should pay for it.

 

First off, I'm sure that any soldiers who had one less tour in Iraq or Afghanistan, because of women in the military, are very happy that they were part of the team. While women still cannot hold "front line" positions-- when one is fighting an insurgency, as in Afghanistan, everywhere is the "front line," and women did serve there. Of our 6,000 military deaths, in that country, 144 of them were women. It is very disrespectful of you, to not appreciate that sacrifice. On top of it all, I get a distinct sense that you, yourself, never served.

https://militaryfamily.com/new-rules-for-women-in-combat/


Now, to move on from your unsavory, sexist remark, to your actual topic: of course the military is going to make sure that women in their ranks, all get the same standard of care, regardless of where they are serving. Just because some states adopt an extremist policy, why should members of our military have to suffer? If a male soldier were serving overseas, and needed medical treatment, not available there-- wouldn't you expect our military to send him somewhere he could receive that care?

 

Your side, for a fact, thinks they should dictate what the consequences should be... a silly, interfering, sexist , misogynistic attitude..

SHOW PROOF I SAID THAT.

A SURE SIGN THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT IS WHEN YOU MAKE UP STUFF

 

Good post especially : "" On top of it all, I get a distinct sense that you, yourself, never served.""

 

But these women do not absolutely NEED the treatment. That's the point.
If they did medically need the treatment, then it would be legal for military hospitals to give it to them.

This policy violates the spirit of the Hyde amendment (a federal law that was passed trying to prevent federal funding for abortion).

Is the federal government going to argue that females in the military need abortion for the military to function?
If so, yet another slippery slope that letting women into the military has opened up.

 

Well, if you support the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe, then their opinion was that the federal government should not be involved in the regulation of abortion, so the "Hyde amendment (which isn't really an Amendment, in the Constitutional sense)" would violate the spirit of that ruling, by the federal government's attempting to limit abortion.

The thing is, with federal positions, your benefits are uniform, no matter where you work. Postal workers get the same hourly pay, regardless of any given state's minimum wage, as do members of the military. So why shouldn't that apply to medical benefits? IOW, if there is any state in which abortion access is allowed for the military, then that same standard should hold for all military personnel, regardless of the state in which they are stationed.

 

If you're suggesting they have no contact with males at all, few would want to be in the service and we would lose out on talented, dedicated people in our armed services. Otherwise, it simply wouldn't have the intended effect. It's not like military people only marry or have sex with other military people.

 

Tha'ts right. If the genders have separate housing, they won't have sex. That's exactly how the world works. Young men and women are incapable of figuring out how to sneak off together.

 

We do tend to call healthcare a "benefit".

But, suggesting healthcare is a "benefit" is just a way of buying into for-profit healthcare - a denial of the fact that healthcare is a human requirement.

Maybe a woman has enough money to have medical assistance during childbirth. Maybe not.

No other first world nation treats their citizens in the shoddy manner that we do when it comes to healthcare.

And, the reason is that we see it as a "benefit".

 

Uh, what is this "another slippery slope" ?

What is this terrible thing you think will happen if women have the same rights as everyone else?

Sounds like what old people thought when women got the vote ...

 

I was pointing out that the originally controversial policy of putting women into the military has resulted in a new "need" for abortion.

That, from a conservative standpoint, the outcome had an unexpected dimension that was even worse than imagined.

Not only is putting young women together in the same intimate setting with a lot of horny young military men going to lead to more pregnancies of the type that typically end in abortion, but also because these women have intense demanding military careers, they're going to be under intense pressure to get abortions, and I bet some will even argue that now abortion is "needed" to ensure troop readiness and a functioning military.

 

Why not? What's so important about ammo or fuel that might defeat our enemies compared to helping a chick too irresponsible to use a condom, an IUD or the PILL? Too hell with national security. Right?

 

So, in your opinion, the guy has no responsibility in the matter-- just the "chick?" Granted, she has the greater motivation, to want to avoid pregnancy, but the responsibility for birth control is equal, on both parties, necessary for making a baby.

 

There is NO "NEW" need for abortion. Abortion has been around for thousands of years..

From the standpoint of Freedom, Liberty ,and RIGHTS (which conservatives think only men deserve) it is fine that women choose to serve our country

Then why don't you dislike men as much as you dislike women???

Why aren't you calling for men who impregnate their fellow soldiers to be kicked out of the military????

IT IS!
YES, if a woman thinks she NEEDS an abortion then she NEEDS an abortion.

Why do you think it's bad if a woman is pressured to have an abortion but NOT BAD if she's pressured to have a kid she doesn't want or can't afford and may take away from her military career?

This country is having trouble getting FIT people to enlist but you don't want women in the military???

HAVE YOU ENLISTED YET !!?????????


You can't even face post 28 !!

 

AARguy said: ↑
Why not? What's so important about ammo or fuel that might defeat our enemies compared to helping a chick too irresponsible to use a condom, an IUD or the PILL? Too hell with national security. Right?

And AARguy will ignore the number of RAPES in the military in her quest for denigrating our troops because they are female ....does misogyny know no bounds???...

 

This is just one more thread in a long list of misogynistic threads claiming women are evil and should be controlled.....they like the idea of someone else defending our country but still want to CONTROL what women do even defending the country !!

It's a ridiculous, sexist, misogynistic premise that women should be denied this right because some might have an abortion...

 

What is it that progressives say about guns? "If it saves just one life..."

Okay, so women already have the choice to have abortion, that is a given. But why would we allow anything that would likely contribute to making them end up pregnant in a situation that's probably going to end in abortion?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It's a ridiculous, sexist, misogynistic premise that women should be denied this right because some might have an abortion...

There you go AGAIN! Going OFF TOPIC because you can't address posts !!!

Who TF is this "we " and why do they think they have the right to "allow" or not allow women to have rights like anyone else??

LOL, you would have to get rid of MEN altogether to do that !!!! Do you plan on doing that ???

Do you plan on sending women into space alone so they never get pregnant ?...lock them up ??? ( you'd like that wouldn't you?)

Women have a RIGHT to be in any situation they choose..

This is just one more thread in a long list of misogynistic threads claiming women are evil and should be controlled.....they like the idea of someone else defending our country but still want to CONTROL what women do even defending the country !!

It's a ridiculous, sexist, misogynistic premise that women should be denied this right because some might have an abortion...

You can't even face post 28 !! Have YOU enlisted yet

 

If you demand that women have the right to abortion in any situation, AND you demand that woman be admitted into the military, treating them the same exact way that the men are treated, then it is going to result in A LOT more abortions.
It only takes a little bit of thought and common sense into the matter to see this. When we stop to consider what a military career is like and the intense pressures on the recruits. Like being required to be gone for long periods of time. The concept of maternity leave also would not be very compatible with current military structure, which is really an understatement. Very high chance women would routinely be pushed to abort under those conditions.

I suppose they could take post-menopausal women and women who've had their tubes tied, but those are usually older women and the military usually has an age limit of 35 for taking on new recruits.

 

Come back AFTER you have read post 43 and post 28 ....avoiding what you don't want to see doesn't make it go away

 

What gives you the right to say what other people need?

If one does not desire motherhood, one needs an abortion.

If only it was the case that the anti-abortion argument was one of economics saying "it should not be tax-funded", it would be fine. But, let's not for a second pretend that this really is about that.s, the

We all know this is about restricting women's individual rights because they "violated God" by - gasp- having sex.

 

Require long-term contraception for all women in active service. Make pregnancy a mandatory discharge, probably a BCD.

 

And he's standing firm: From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Pauly.



'Tuberville is protesting the Pentagon’s abortion policy that paid leave and reimbursement costs for travel for service members who cross state lines to get an abortion, which violates the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal funds from paying for abortions.'

'The policy was changed this spring — but not the law.'

Tuberville will lift the hold after one of two things happens:

1. They return the policy to one compliant with the law, OR
2. They change the law.

 

'Senator Tommy Tuberville is sticking with his principles and that is throwing Democrats for a loop. He’s a pro-life Republican who objects to the Democrats and the Pentagon going around the Hyde Amendment in order pay for the expenses for women who have to travel to get an abortion. Tuberville has put a hold on military promotions and nominations until the new defense department policy at least receives a vote in the Senate.'

Follow the Law, or Change the Law.

https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2...-white-supremacist-charge-against-him-n564034

 

Yeah the military would much prefer abortion it's probably cheaper than maternity leave.