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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Each element has various isotopes, meaning that they come with different numbers of neutrons but the same number of protons. The ratio of these isotopes depends on the sun that created them. Naturally occurring elements on earth always have known specific ratios of isotopes. If we find a material with different isotopic ratios than elements on earth, then we know it didn't come from earth. It was produced in a different sun than the materials found here.
     
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    Actually isotopes are different number of neutrons in its core but it's still the same element.

    Certain elements isotopes are only created in a lab by blasting the atom with a laser to change it.
     
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    That's what I said. I said the same number of protons but a different number of neutrons. The identity of an element is determined by the number of protons.

    And when you say core. I assume you meant the nucleus.

    We can do many things in a lab that couldn't be done at an industrial scale; at least not with human technology. We can separate isotopes, which is what centrifuges do in the production of nuclear materials for reactors and weapons. But that is very expensive and not practical for most applications. We do not have the ability to modify isotopic ratios in production materials.
     
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    So you are saying common elements like iron, gold, ect... have different numbers of neutrons depending upon what solar system they're made from?
     
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    Does Gold have different isotopes? Yes! Isotopes of gold - Wikipedia

    But usually, with isotopes, there are maybe 1-2 stable configurations and most other isotopes live for a very short time. Like much less than a second, although some last for hours or days, before decaying into another element that's stable.
     
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    That is true. But also it can vary depending on the planet. It gets complicated. For example, below they mention that the ratio of Carbon 12 to Carbon 13 [two isotopes of carbon] tells us a rock came from Mars

    https://ssed.gsfc.nasa.gov/IPM/2012/PDF/publications/1030.pdf

    But in short, isotopic ratios are fingerprints that tell us the origin of material such as iron, gold, lead, carbon, argon, etc.

    Materials have also allegedly been recovered that contain alloys never produced on earth as far as anyone knows. They are allegedly highly complex with no known purpose. Again, independent researchers have been testing this stuff for decades.

    When I first started learning about UFOs [randomly assigned the subject for a college English paper], I kept thinking, if half this stuff were true, EVERYONE would know about it. It would be the story of the century. I spent the next 20 years researching and learning that most high-value reports are true. And plenty of people know about it. It is simply too big for most people to take seriously unless they are willing to put in the time and effort to learn the facts.

    There was stuff I saw floating around on the internet that I didn't believe for a second, like the Iran 1976 report. NO WAY could that be true. It was surely a hoax. Then I found the documents at the National Security Agency myself. As more and more documents were declassified through the freedom of information act, it soon became obvious that most of this stuff really happened.
     
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    I see a contradiction here. Not having a background in either physics or chemistry, I can't really judge it myself, but since @HereWeGoAgain claims to be a physicist, take it away:

    Is there a limit on stable configurations of isotopes in elements? If so, is it one or two, or more than that?
     
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    The Air National Guard, Coyne Helicopter incident is particularly interesting because of the alleged affects on the helicopter. The UFO is described as cigar shaped; something widely reported for many decades and the shape of the so-called Tic Tac chased by Navy fighter pilots recently.

    The key moment came when the pilot had the controls set for a fast descent but the helicopter was rising.

     
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    If you want to learn about isotopes, look it up. This is now way off topic.
    https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsisotopes

    There are 15 known isotopes of carbon. It gets a lot more complicated after that. This says nothing about how the ratios of those isotopes can manifest.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_carbon
     
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    The disappearance of Frederick Valentich
    ...was an Australian pilot who disappeared while on a 125-nautical-mile (232 km) training flight in a Cessna 182L light aircraft, registered VH-DSJ,[1] over Bass Strait on the evening of Saturday 21 October 1978. Described as a "flying saucer enthusiast", twenty-year-old Valentich informed Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him and that his engine had begun running roughly, before finally reporting, "It's not an aircraft."[2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich

    A metallic grinding sound was heard and Valentich disappeared. He was never heard from again. Below is an interview with the radio operator who last talked with Valentich. The original audio recording of his last transmission is also available




    This is a transcript of the conversation
    1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
    DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.
    1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?
    DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.
    1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
    1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?
    DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.
    1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
    1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)
    1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.
    1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?
    DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?
    DSJ Affirmative.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.
    1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).
    1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?
    DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.
    1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?
    1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet
    1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet
    1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
    DSJ Say again.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?
    DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet
    1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?
    DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.
    FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
    1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).
     
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    .JUST A THOUGHT
    So called UFO, may have more to do with US, and our Life, Death & Dreams
    as Numan Beans than they do with ET Aliens and Nuts & Bolts from Outer Space


    Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case Against Aliens


    And we should Beware & BeAware of any solid conclusions offered to US

    Prisoner of Infinity:
    UFOs, Social Engineering, and the Psychology of Fragmentation

    https://auticulture.com/prisoner-of-infinity/
    [​IMG]
    https://www.scribd.com/document/177796194/Prisoner-of-Infinity-5-Pr


    The Super Natural :
    A New vision Of The Unexplained

    https://www.amazon.ca/Super-Natural-New-Vision-Unexplained/dp/1101982322

    .......[​IMG]
    Whitley Strieber (Communion) and Jeffrey J. Kripal (J. Newton Rayzor professor of religion
    at Rice University) team up on this unprecedented and intellectually vibrant new framing
    of inexplicable events and experiences.

    https://literalmagazine.com/the-super-natural/

    .The Pentagon Is Behind a Fake Alien Agenda
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/the-pentagon-is-behind-the-fake-alien-agenda/
     
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    Okay, I am probably going to regret asking this, but what are you talking about? Instead of posting at worst, nonsensical, and at best, highly cryptic statements with vague references to videos and books...

    Why don't you explain in a paragraph or two, what they say. Provide a quick summary of what you referenced in plain English, without colors or font changes.
     
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    I worked with Fred's brother. We all took a great interest in the case. These tapes
    were sent to NASA. They were returned with the comment, "We have no natural
    explanation for what happened."
    I understand that Fred's plane was observed from Cape Patterson (?) by two
    people. Above the plane orbited the UFO.
     
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    Seriously?!?! Wow!!! How did that come to be? You are only around 20, correct?

    Yes, I don't remember the location but have seen one and perhaps two witnesses interviewed who reported that.
     
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    Fred's brother worked at General Motors Holden.
    From the first time I heard this story I was 'convinced'
    it had to be 'aliens'
    Ha ha.
    I suggested that nothing will come back from the
    ocean - no oil slick, life jacket, foot, wreckage, nothing.
    And if that happens then that's further evidence that
    'something got him.'
    The story just had that feel about it.

    I say to people, 'Do you believe someone could be
    abducted by aliens"?
    And I hope they say 'No.'
    But I can say I think I know someone who's brother
    was 'abducted by aliens.' And it has a grainy truth to
    it.
     
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    I always assumed that no matter what happened, he ended up in the ocean. If you think he was abducted, do you think he could still be alive?
     
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    The last sound on the tape seemed like it was 'grinding metal'
    Make of it what you will - seems like Valentich's plane was being
    chewed up.
     
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    It did sound that way didn't it. But he never made a sound. For the next 17 seconds it was an open mic and not a peep. I wonder why. Any guesses?
     
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    You know, we are right to poke fun of people when they talk about weird
    encounters like Big Foot, alien abductions, Loch Ness monsters and such.
    But you need to keep an open mind - some of these things could be real,
    and if not, like the Nessie, there could be other valid explanations for why
    people actually saw something.
     
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    Ancient UFOs at a time when many believed that every thing was magial or came from the gods. Here's proof of how our most modern sitings turn out to be B.S.
     
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    I disagree. There is more than enough anecdotal evidence to justify giving people the benefit of the doubt. A person need not "believe" but at least allow that a person making a claim could be completely sincere. And they may even be right. It depends on the story and it depends on the person.

    Cynics dismissed Fred's disappearance because he had reported seeing a UFO before. Well guess what, UFOs often appear in clusters called "flaps". The idea that he saw one before encountering one is entirely believable. Dismissing his disappearance and apparent death because he once reported a UFO, is absurd.

    That said, the best and most interesting cases involve multiple witness, photographic or video evidence, RADAR tracks, trace evidence... Rarely does one person's story get any attention. But the Valentich case is especially compelling given the audio recordings and that he was never seen again. People don't normally die for the sake of a hoax.
     
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    He provided ONE alternative explanation for ONE incident. To claim this as proof of modern sightings being BS is not only false, it is a stupid thing to say. I suggest reading some books on logic.

    Explain the 2 pilots who saw a "tic tac" at water level, which then jumped up right in front of them, visually, at close range, and then disappeared and suddenly appeared 60 miles away.
     
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    You're already on the rampage.How uncivil. To call something that I showed you stupid tells me that you're really defensive right from the start..Let me know when you can think objectively without calling something stupid. I guess insults are your stock in trade. Which as a way to debate are purely illogical and self defeating.
     
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    I sincerely HOPE that you do not regret your query - That said:
    I
    do not think or speak in a dull monotone - neither will I write or post in one.
    O
    ur sensory modalities are simply filters to a more total & complete experience -

    That said:
    T
    hese Phenomena have been shown to have much to do with what is irrational,
    ................................................................................................. nonsensical and the cryptic

    .............. [​IMG]


    Ariel School UFO Landing - Zimbabwe, 1994




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