UK's Impoverishment Acclerates: Jobseekers Told To Work Without Pay Or Lose Insurance

Young jobseekers told to work without pay or lose unemployment benefits

Are you kidding me?!

This smells a bit towards forced labour!

 

There is something very fishy about this story. The reason is that i am a geologist and companies are crying out for them, to the extent that a grad can easily comand a salary of 50k pound a year. So either she is a total moron or the story is a fake

 

What is the problem here?

If you're getting benefits from the State, then should be a slave to society and should do whatever the State commands you do.

It's called making you earn something.

Are you saying people shouldn't have to work for their Government benefits?

 

Absolutely, although having them work in privately owned businesses is wrong. The government should immediately end all unemployment "benefits" immediately, even the name "benefits" gets my goat.

The new contract should be, if you do not have a job the government will provide you a job, providing services to society. Cleaning parks, painting publically owned stuff, helping others. The pay should be below minium wage.

There are too many people taking the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the system, which causes problems for people who actually need help.

Social "benefits" are not a lifestyle choice, they are a safety net for the odd time someone help not to fall between the cracks of society.

 

I'll respond to this.

Japour is poster boy for Federal EU. Belgium is a nice country with nice people, but if not for the EU would not be on any international political map.

When an EU member who supports his agenda does something good, he posts it here.

In the case of the UK, which is pro-EU, just not pro Japour's vision of Federal EU, he posts articles condemning the UK, as he thinks that this somehow supports his case. It doesn't. It's some kind of silly propoganda campain, with a tiny audience.

He just can't stand the EU to be democratic, which means accepting an opposite point of view to his own.

Not to take a pop at you Silicon, but it reminds me of many of your fellow righties in the US, constantly posting "Obama this" and "Obama that", regardless of content / accuracy or how pathetic it may make them look as individuals.

 

Hello?

Unemployment insurance is a right, not a privilege.

 

Well, there is some truth in that -- but technically we would be part of G-20.

Most certainly! Like everybody else on the forum.

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I don't think you yet understand how the UK is behaving as of late, to describe it one word: outrageous!

=> Read latest LEAP/EU2020 Public announcment (released yesterday) and you'll get the bigger picture.

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You really ought to hear yourself talking, Leffe.

What a disgrace, and btw -- really insulting on my address.

Not to mention, it's kind of hysterical at the same time.



Funnies, how you represent yourself, your opinion, your point of view and your mother country on the side of "democracy". As somehow you are the latest bastion and sole defender of liberty.

LOL!

As I said, read the latest LEAP/EU2020 PA released yesterday since it deals with that sort of utter nonsense all together...

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I know this type of posters, and not in a million years I behave or make such utterly ludicrous posts or threads as them.

 

Not in the UK it isn't. Unemployment benefit has long been conditional on actively seeking work (in theory at least) and has also involved requirements to accept various training or job offers. If someone is unwilling to meet those requirements, they will loose the unemployment benefit (though they would likely still receive some other basic benefits).

I personally think the principal of the various schemes being talked about here are perfectly valid but the issue seems to be the implementation.

 

Well if you truly believe that, then your society is eventually doomed to failure. No human being likes having massive percentages of their paychecks taken from them so other people can be indolent.

No one wants to support "artists, writers, photographers, musicians and free thinkers" in their unpaying hobbies while they are down in the trenches actually doing productive labor.

 

Unemployment insurance is not a lifestyle choice. Herein lis the problem, try and keep up. Perhaps if you wash aside the haze of your pro-Federal EU agenda, you'd start to see clearly.

 

Your false indignation is telling...

 

Janpor writes as though he has US credentials .
Unemployment there is running at almost 20% ( let's work with this true figure) .
The UK figure is just over 8%
The unemployment figures for under 25's is horrible everywhere and in Spain is as high as 40% . Horrible but understandable and almost inevitable in the circumstances of Depression --- which officially is where we all will be within not many more months .
The US has a cumulative debt probably in excess of $75 trillion when you correctly take into account Medicare , Benefits and Pensions .
The US is bankrupt and is not in default only because it is the lender of last resort .
When America starts to truly implode next year and in 2013 , the wreckage and carnage will make the Eurozone crash look quite small.

 

I'd guess is like work for the dole over here. You are made to work for nothing or you don't get your money. I'd prefer to give up the welfare and earn a wage, even if it isn't much. No way in hell would I work for nothing.

 

How can you be working for nothing if you're getting "your" money?

 

No one should be expected to work to take welfare. There is no requirement to work, nor any expectation.

 

And that is precisely the attitude that has helped bring about the mess .
Some people actually expect the State to finance their unproductive sad little lives .
Only truly disabled people should receive benefits and not be asked to give in return .
Lazy people , spongers, scroungers and just unlucky people and misfits must work to earn hand outs from fellow tax payers .
The State pays out nothing . It is actually paid by "you" and " me" who work for our living as responsible individuals .

 

No one should be expected to take welfare. There is no requirement to take state "benefits".

 

You can get welfare without a requirement to work. You can't (at least shouldn't) get unemployment benefit without an expectation to work.

 

it is a privilege, not a right. if you think we can keep the current social system going by having people sit on their ass all day you are wrong.

I do find it unacceptable they work for a commercial company, they should do public work, clean the streets, help elderly and other non commercial work, else you ruin the market.

 

In many ways, Belgium still pays hommage to our prosperous and historically important role as one of the strongest industrial states ever conceived!

In Belgium there is something called "werkloosheidsverzekering" (= unemployment insurance) guaranteed by Social Security. This is a fundamental right.

If you get unemployed -- your insurance kicks in. This is a right -- not a privilege -- since, as a hard-working citizen, you payed into the system.

Also, Belgium is one of the only (the only?) country in which, technically, a person can make use of his unemployment insurace for enternity -- it isn't limited in time as in many (all?) countries.

Netherlands is one big mess of tyranical right-wing policies, embodied by WW-laws -- even stricter than American unemployment laws: 3 months of insurance, and then crappy formula.

However, I'm not for people sitting on their lazy bums either -- "Social Inspection" should expand and control vigurously. Also, special team of federal police officers should be created to deal with immigration -- Belgium currently is being completely swamped by East and Central European citizens (non-EU, e.g. Albania, Moldovia, Serbia,...). It is so out of control, that even a Leftie as me -- for a couple of years now -- is in favour of harsh and strict immigration laws and enforcment.

A large portion of these people come from a different planet (Roma): they let their children run naked on street, send them to school without shoes and proper clothes (e.g. sweater with only one sleave,...). When the teacher intervenes and give them free clothes and shoes -- next day, the kids stand back in their crappy clothes because parents sold everything to buy booze and cigarettes because OCMW (government agency) doesn't provide assistance for that!!!

=> Sorry but I can get really angry about this.

 

You have to realise that attacking the unemployed is Cameron pandering to his backers.

 

Actually it is that part of the unemployed that are lazy , scroungers and outright cheats .
Would you give away money to liars , cheats and just plain lazy idlers ?
Is that how savvy Socialists would run things ( again ) ?

 

You get your unemployment benefits because you are LOOKING for work. As long as you can prove you are searching for a job, you should get your money.

 

I'm not a fan of Cameron or the general attitude of the Tories towards the working classes. However, there is a growing sub-class of "won't work" people, who sit at home all day watching Sky TV, eating takeaway and breading a larger generation of themselves.

It has to end. I see state paid work instead of dole money as the solution.

 

Liked the unintentional use of " breading" .
But if they ate less of it there would be far fewer walking piles of sludge and they might breed healthier and better looking ferals .I mean kids .