UN, singles out Israel as world’s only violator of women’s rights

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  1. TOG 6

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    The WB was annexed by Jordan in 1950.
    Its people became Jordanians, given the right to vote, and representation in their Jordanian legislature.
     
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    Please provide the portions or quotes in the 1994 treaty that specifically state the West Bank belongs to Israel as you are claiming.

    Or any other documentation that would override bodies of international law such as the UN General Assembly and the Security Council of the United Nations , the International Court of Justice, ...which all state that the West Bank is occupied territory under international law.
     
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    As per the 1994 Treaty:

    A. The boundary Line shall follow the middle of the main course of the flow of the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers.
    B. The boundary line shall follow natural changes (accretion or erosion) in the course of the rivers unless otherwise agreed. Artificial changes in or of the course of the rivers shall not affect the location of the boundary unless otherwise agreed. No artificial changes may be made except by agreement between both Parties.
    C. In the event of a future sudden natural change in or of the course of the rivers (avulsion or cutting of new bed) the Joint Boundary Commission (Article 3 below) shall meet as soon as possible, to decide on necessary measures, which may include physical restoration of the prior location of the river course.
    D. The boundary line in the two rivers is shown on the 1/10,000 orthophoto maps dated 1994 (Appendix III attached to this Annex).
    E. Adjustment to the boundary line in any of the rivers due to natural changes (accretion or erosion) shall be carried out whenever it is deemed necessary by the Boundary Commission or once every five years.
    F. The lines defining the special Baqura/Naharayim area are shown on the 1:10,000 orthophoto map (Appendix IV attached to this Annex).

    That is:

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    Why does that automatically give the WB to Israel when under international law Jordan stated that the PLO had jurisdiction in the WB to move for statehood of the Palestinian people?

    Please supply one quote or passage from any document from an international body of law that proves that Israel owns the West Bank which is what you are claiming.
     
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    This only shows the areas that Jordan renounced claim to. It says nothing about legalizing Israel's claim to the territory it was ceding. This is especially true considering the fact that Jordan also stated that it was ceding responsibility to the PLO as the genuine representative of the Palestinian people in ongoing negotiation for a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    You never linked to the treaty but I looked it up myself and there was specifically a green line that marked the disputed territory between the PLO which King Hussein specifically named as the legal representative of the Palestinian people in negotiate for a Palestinian state in the WB.

    Given that no other international body of law agrees with your claim that the West Bank belongs to Israel, including the UN security council, the general assembly and the international court of justice which all consider the WB to by illegally occupied territory and have called in multiple UN resolutions for the Israeli withdrawal from the territory,

    Could you please provide a single DOCUMENT that specifically proves that Israel owns the West Bank as stated by a recognized body of international law, as you have claimed.

    As Moi stated - it was not Jordan's to give away.
     
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    Good point:

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    Under international law, the border between ISRAEL and Jordan is the Jordan River.
    That is, ISRAEL extends from the Jordan river to the sea.
    This NECESSARILY includes the WB because the WB begins at -- wait for it - the west bank of the Jordan river.

    See:

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    I have done so, several times now: The 1994
    You know this, you simply do not want to cafe reality
     
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    Under international law, the border between ISRAEL and Jordan is the Jordan River.
    That is, ISRAEL extends from the Jordan river to the sea.
    This NECESSARILY includes the WB because the WB begins at -- wait for it - the west bank of the Jordan river.

    See:

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    I have done so, several times now: The 1994
    You know this, you simply do not want to cafe reality
     
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    Reality is no other international body of law agrees with you and all consider it occupied territory including almost every nation on Earth. Even Canada which is very pro-Jewish considers the West Bank occupied. You still have not shown a single DOCUMENT that proves Jordan cede the territory to Israel.

    There really is no way around this. Nobody else agrees with you except perhaps Likud.
     
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    Israel and Jordan do.
    As the controversy under international law was Jordanian land occupied by Israel since 1967, and said controversy resolved under international law in 1994, that's all that matters.
    See, Israel and Jordan do not need approval from the UN, the ICJ or anyone else to agree to their mutual border.

    Under international law, the border between Israel and Jordan is the Jordan river -- this being the case, explain how the WB does not belong to Israel.

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    You know your statement is false.
     
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    If land is allowed to be taken by force.
    The Jews own Israel.

    If land is not allowed to be taken by force.
    The Jews own from the Nile to the Euphrates.
     
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    100% false.

    the WB was not ceded to Israel by Jordan.

    they ceded it to the PLO
     
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    since 1967 Israel has applied the Geneva Conventions and the 1907 Hague Regulations to the West Bank.

    the Israeli Supreme Court decided that international law regarding military occupation governs the West Bank, not Israeli law.

    to date, Israel has only annexed a small part of the West Bank, calling it "Greater Jerusalem".
     
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    When Israel annexes the West Bank, what are they going to do with all those Palestinians?
     
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    and if the West Bank was part of Israel all of the Arabs would be Israeli citizens and Israeli civilian law would be in effect.

    but it is not.

    the West Bank is under Israeli military law, following the rules of international occupation
     
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    The U.N. needs to be dissolved.
     
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    Muslim women in Israel have the highest freedom of any women in the Middle East.
    In some Arab countries they are little more than cattle.
    Indeed, just yesterday Saudi Arabia finally allowed women (adult women) to leave
    the house without a male companion. What's that? First time since Mohamed?
    As for the status of women in Gaza I have no idea, the Western media don't cover that
    subject. I'll soon find out - I am going to Palestine soon.
    Don't tell me about Israeli treatment of Muslim women.
     
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    There is no such thing as "international law". There is no one to enforce it.
     
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    Muslim men oppress Muslim women. Jews don't.
     
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    Muslim women in Israel have more civil and human rights than in most Muslim countries.

    It's quite the paradox isn't it?
     
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    QURAN 4:34 – ‘Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient’ (Like good dogs)

    Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."

    Tabari I:280 "Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

    Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
     
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    The UN is largely composed of two groups
    1 - those who support Islam
    2 - those who don't want trouble from Islam.

    This is how all the problems in the world are caused by Jews.
    This is how Herod's and Solomon's temple is not considered Jewish.
     
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    You're just making it all up. According to this page:
    http://christianityinview.com/world-religions/world-religions.html

    There are simply A LOT more countries who are dominated by Christianity (16 pages) than countries dominated by Islam (6 pages) .


    That. And we all agreed that moving your civilian population on occupied territory is on par with war crimes like ethnic cleansing. We agreed to this, by signing the Geneva Conventions. The entire world says that the WB is occupied by Israel. Even the Israeli high court says it is. And so,... the fate of the Israeli Jews and it's supporters are sealed that they are on par with ethnic cleansing / a war crime. It is so, since it's in the same paragraph of the Geneva Conventions.

    Not that many people mourn when a war criminal gets a knife in it's neck or being run over.'
    Nobody is making those people be war criminals. That's a free choice in life.
    And subsequently... that comes with taking a higher risk in having a shorter life.
     
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    Well then...
    Either their mothers will decide they love their kids more than they hate Jews, or they will die out.
     
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    Citizens, not converts. Citizens can be any religion.
     
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