Uncommon Sense.

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    Do you know everything? Perhaps there is a way to create energy and we simply don't know it yet? After all, it was once considered impossible for man to fly. Never say impossible.
     
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    It doesn’t violate anything. Nature shows us that cause and effect is an infinite regression with no beginning.

    We have evidence that matter/energy can not be created nor destroyed by anything. It has been tested. Literally every observation we have of the universe conforms of the Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy.

    What empirical evidence that stands up to testing do we have for your supposed god?
     
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    If you have contradictory evidence that can be tested, feel free to present it.

    If you don’t, then you have no logical basis to go “goddidit”.
     
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    An infinite regression is a scientific impossibility. There has to be a primal cause that was not itself caused by anything.
     
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    No, quite the opposite, an infinite regression is all we have evidence for.
     
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    Oh yeah? Where's your evidence that everything just happened on it's own?
     
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    You can’t prove it because you have zero empirical evidence. Your threats mean as much to me as a Buddhist saying I’ll end up one of the Seven Hells or a Muslim saying I’ll end up in Jahannum. They have zero evidence either.
     
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    Again, the law of conservation of matter/energy states matter/energy can not be created. This means it must always have existed in one form or another. The universe is the sum total of all matter/energy so by that same law, the universe must have always existed.
     
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    BTW how does it feel to worship an evil being that would eternally torture someone for temporal sins. There can be literally no worse evil.
     
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    It's impossible. You cannot have a cause that was caused by something else, that was caused by something, way back into infinity. It's scientifically impossible. Every effect has a cause. What caused matter and energy to exist?
     
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    No. It doesn't. It means that science cannot explain how it got here. That's all it means.
     
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    What about the evil of disobeying your Creator? You obviously don't realize just how significant that is. And that same God offered everyone a way out of that eternity of suffering. And He's not even charging us for it. It's completely free. So, if you wind up in Hell someday, you have no one to blame but yourself. Someone was throwing you a lifeline, and you rejected it. Sucks to be you.
     
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    What you want is proof and I have none. I have seen spirits or ghosts so I know they exist. Eye witness accounts are considered evidence in every court on the planet. There is great order to the universe and that can be used as evidence. I could go on and on with a show of circumstantial evidence. It wouldn't matter what I write, you've already made up your mind to reject it. You have no idea about creation and the few or at least the top ten theories are every bit as magical as a theist's belief and requires the same amount of faith to believe in and even less proof.
     
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    I asked this question on another forum once.

    If there was proof that God exists and that every word of the Bible was true, would you worship Him? Most people said no. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented. God could show up in front of their eyes and perform miracles, and they would still reject Him. <Rule 2/3>
     
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    Except that exactly what all the evidence shows. There is no definitive start point. Even the Big Bang was the creation of the universe, only it’s expansion into its current form.

    Your question is non-sensical.
     
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    No, it means it cannot be created. The law is very clear about that.
     
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    There are no infinities in Physics.
     
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    No. It means that we haven't managed to create it yet.
     
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    It’s the same as a child making a mistake for one second and then their parent locking them in the basement and torturing them for the rest of the life, except more evil than that because a child’s life isn’t eternal.

    Eternal punishment for a temporal sin is the most evil thing that could possibly exist.
     
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    They should seek out and interview hospice workers and such if they want more evidence. And then they come here not to discuss religion or spirituality, but only to show their contempt and they're here every day for their daily dose of their troll steroid. Some, like Swenson, you can have a decent conversation with even if you disagree.
     
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    And other theists have seen other spirits and claimed to have spoken with other gods. Why should any of you be considered reliable “eyewitnesses” when you all contradict each other?
     
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    Yeah, there are. There’s lots of them. The universe itself is infinite.
     
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    And nothing in any part of the universe has either. There is nothing that can create matter/energy.
     
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    And if they interview hospice workers in Saudi Arabia, will that prove Islam is the true religion?

    How about proof that Shinto is real when they interview hospice workers in Japan?
     
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    That's only your opinion. What if God gives you every chance to accept Him and you still reject Him? You see, God demands perfection, just like He is perfect. He cannot allow sin into Heaven. If you are a sinner, you don't get in. Simple as that. And like I said earlier. God does not send anyone to hell. They chose to go there. God is simply granting their wish. He gave you a way out, and you turned it down. Think of it as someone drowning at sea. Someone tosses them a life preserver, but they ignore it. What happens? Same principle. Your problem is that you know you are a sinner, and refuse to humble yourself before God and ask Him to forgive you. And like I said, He will grant your wish. Eternal separation from God.
     

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