UNDERCOVER: Late-Term Abortion Clinics Exposed!

I shouldn’t have to explain but I will. Your assertion nobody has the right to use another to sustain their own life is a death blow to any form of single payer healthcare that isn’t 100% voluntary on both ends.

My point is you can’t have it both ways. You guys want to use my body to sustain others (complete strangers) but say a woman who wants an abortion ought to have complete freedom from sustaining one she created. It’s just funny to me to see people try to play both sides without any self awareness.

 

Read his post again. He said, "another's body." Please be more careful.

 

Could you please show me where anyone here stated that women “enjoy” 8-9 months of pregnancy just for the “fun” of having a late term abortion?
I don’t recall seeing anyone say that.
Is this just another example of you twisting the truth?

 

I am another to somebody. His meaning was clear as was mine. Read the posts again. Slowly. For comprehension.

 

Asinine quibble on your part.

 

On my part? You are the one unable to grasp a concept so parse words instead. You are doing fine proving my point about self awareness. Much obliged.

 

Nope correct sorry.

An Unusual Medical Consensus: Partial-Birth Abortion is Never Necessary

• "The partial delivery of a living fetus for the purpose of killing it outside the womb is ethically offensive to most Americans and physicians. Our panel could not find any identified circumstance in which the procedure was the only safe and effective abortion method." AMA President Daniel Johnson Jr., M.D., in New York Times, May 26, 1997.
• "According to the scientific literature, there does not appear to be any identified situation in which intact D & X is the only appropriate procedure to induce abortion, and ethical concerns have been raised about D & X." Report by Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association, May 1997.
• "A select panel convened by ACOG could identify no circumstances under which this procedure ... would be the only option to save the life or preserve the health of the woman." American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Statement of Policy, January 12, 1997.
• "I believe that Mr. Clinton was misled by his medical advisers on what is fact and what is fiction in reference to late-term abortions. Because in no way can I twist my mind to see that the late-term abortion as described -- you know, partial birth, and then destruction of the unborn child before the head is born -- is a medical necessity for the mother. It certainly can't be a medical necessity for the baby." Former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop in American Medical News, August 19, 1996, p. 3.
• "I have very serious reservations about this procedure ... You really can't defend it. I'm not going to tell somebody else that they should not do this procedure. But I'm not going to do it ... I would dispute any statement that this is the safest procedure to use." Abortionist Warren Hern in American Medical News, November 20, 1995, p. 3.
• "None of this risk is ever necessary for any reason. We and many other doctors across the U.S. regularly treat women whose unborn children suffer the same conditions as those cited by the women who appeared at Mr. Clinton's veto ceremony. Never is the partial-birth procedure necessary." Drs. Nancy Romer, Pamela Smith, Curtis Cook and Joseph DeCook of Physicians' Ad Hoc Coalition for Truth (PHACT) in Wall Street Journal, September 19, 1996, p. A 22.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...partial-birth-abortion-is-never-necessary.cfm

 

No. The question was an abortion performed on a born child.

Pay attention

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NO one has the right to use another's body to sustain their life.
!!








So you don't have anything to say but said it anyway ...OK...


I never mentioned Medicare and that has nothing to do with what I posted....if you can't explain then SHRUG

Oh FFS!


Boy! Did you grab the wrong end of the stick.

I was talking about the FACT that NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another

AS IN :


NO ONE can be forced to give someone else their heart, liver, or even a blood transfusion.

THAT, DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, is what is meant by no one is forced to use their body to sustain the life of another...


"You guys" do NOT want to force you to use your body to sustain the life of another....NOR do "us guys" want women to be forced to us their body to sustain the life of another...THAT IS ILLEGAL.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
You are correct.

Normal mentally healthy women do NOT , contrary to what Anti-Choicers want you to believe, "enjoy" 8-9 months of pregnancy just for the "fun" of having an abortion.


If a woman who is 9 months pregnant asks a doctor for an abortion the FIRST thing they do is give her a psyche evaluation NOT an abortion.

WHERE TF did I say anyone else said that???

I SAID THAT ! And NO, it isn't twisted....Anti-Choicers in here keep saying that women have, and will, flock to doctors to have unnecessary abortions at 9 months....

ask THEM why they think such a stupid thing !!

 

Nice try. The colors and multiple H’s are a nice touch to distract from the truth. I would much rather give someone a blood transfusion than work my *** off to pay for their health care. Now you are justifying slavery to dodge the original issue. Taking my labor is taking part of my liver, heart and blood. It is robbing me of part of my life. Why are you so intent on taking life any way you can legally get away with it? It’s creepy.

Am I reading you right that women want abortions because they don’t like being pregnant, not because they don’t want a child?

 

Did you watch the video of the OP? Patient X was 32 weeks and was at the clinic all systems go. Thirty-two weeks is eight months. Does that help?

 

No, it is not. Late-term abortions are based on life and death for mother / foetus or inability to survive for the foetus.

 

What about proposed law in VA?

 

The mother could claim she would be suicidal, so it could be done to protect her life.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NO one has the right to use another's body to sustain their life.
!!

So you don't have anything to say but said it anyway ...OK...


I never mentioned Medicare and that has nothing to do with what I posted....if you can't explain then SHRUG




Oh FFS!


Boy! Did you grab the wrong end of the stick.

I was talking about the FACT that NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another

AS IN :


NO ONE can be forced to give someone else their heart, liver, or even a blood transfusion.

THAT, DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, is what is meant by no one is forced to use their body to sustain the life of another...


"You guys" do NOT want to force you to use your body to sustain the life of another....NOR do "us guys" want women to be forced to us their body to sustain the life of another...THAT IS ILLEGAL.

Good GAWD! I am NOT talking about DONATING parts of your body. ….Where TF did you get that idea!!!

Do you have ANY idea of the difference between DONATING and being FORCED ?

See, those are two different words with different meanings !!! Didn't you know that? Different words are used for different meanings!

NO one can force you to use your body to sustain another's life. That mean you cannot be forced to give someone a kidney or your heart or liver .
It has nothing to do with Medicare...nothing....nothing to do with Medicare ...read that slowly...
And THAT is the truth.

I never dodge the issue of abortion and women's rights..

That's not what I meant and YOU misunderstanding it does NOT make it untrue.

Why are Anti-Choicers so intent on taking away women's right to their own bodies and forcing them to use THEIR bodies so sustain the life ot others.... ….it's creepy !!!

Of course that's not right....nothing you've said about my posts has been right.

WHY do Anti-Choicers INSIST ALL WOMEN THINK ALIKE AS IF THEY ARE CATTLE ? EXAMPLE:

""""Am I reading you right that women want abortions because they don’t like being pregnant,"""




NO, see women are individuals and each has their own mind and own reasons...


I NEVER posted ""women want abortions because they don’t like being pregnant, not because they don’t want a child"""

"You guys" do NOT want to force you to use your body to sustain the life of another....NOR do "us guys" want women to be forced to us their body to sustain the life of another...THAT IS ILLEGAL.


Did YOU READ THAT???? Did you understand that?

 

Fighting to prevent butchers from literally ripping a baby limb from limb out of a mothers womb is not forcing morals on others, no more than protecting children from child abuse is forcing morals on others. It is common decency. No need to do research to prove it to you, just reference late-term abortion law in New York. This isn't an argument against the gut wrenching decision to save the baby or the mother, no one with sense is fighting to force a mother to end her own life to save her unborn child's. That is a very sad and personal decision only the people facing it can make. This is to fight against laws like in New York which goes way beyond saving the mothers life. If you disagree, then please tell me why it was necessary for New York to pass another law when it was already legal to end a pregnancy in late-term if it was to save the mothers life?

 

Emotional hyperbole. No basis in fact.

No, it's protecting children.

"""""That is a very sad and personal decision only the people facing it can make""""

So why are you trying to butt in?

No, it isn't and NO one has proven it is.

YOU read the law and explain it.....no Anti-Choicer has yet!

 

Yes we all understand you. You keep demonstrating your inconsistency on individual rights over and over. It’s why I brought up the self awareness issue earlier.

Did I ever use the word donate? Do you understand that claiming abortion should be a woman’s choice because she shouldn’t be forced to use her body to sustain the life of another only applies if her desire is to not be pregnant? If her desire is to not have a child to raise and she is still entitled to an abortion that is the equivalent of it being immoral to have any non consensual single payer healthcare.

I also pointed out you don’t have to cut out my liver or forcefully take my blood to violate my exclusive right to their use. You either believe in individual liberty for all or you don’t. You don’t. Your inability to see that is what tickles my funny bone.

Thanks for the extra drama, it’s not unappreciated.

 

There is no inconsistency.
No one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another .
I explained to you in detail how that refers or connects to pregnancy and abortion and has nothing to do with Medicare .

Medicare does not force anyone to give up any part of their body to sustain the life of another.

"morals " do not make rights or laws....everyone has a different idea of what's "moral" and yours doesn't negate anyone else's.

The right to one's own body has nothing to do with healthcare, single payer or otherwise.



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Medicare for all would force me to do what you wish to exempt women from.

Yes, mandatory participation in Medicare for all would do just that.

So how can you claim you are correct and others incorrect on the issue of abortion? If my morality says I can force women to maintain a pregnancy you and I are morally equivalent and whoever exerts the prevailing force is “right”?

I know you don’t think so. That’s my whole point and source of amusement.

 

If you "know" what I think then why are you posting to me?

I LOVE SINGLE PAYER HEALTH INSURANCE.

Gee, you don't sound very amused...

Too bad you just can't get the difference between forced gestation and insurance......and obviously I'll never convince you it's not the same thing...

 

Because it was too rich of an opportunity to demonstrate inconsistency of progressive ideology to pass up.

Sure. I’ve yet to meet someone who is fanatical about women’s rights on abortion who isn’t excited about violating rights of someone else to make things balance out. Gotta toe the party line I reckon. What it boils down to is progressives will take whichever side of a rights issue that limits their exposure to personal responsibility or accountability for their actions.

Sorry, I don’t really care for the dancing banana...

Private voluntary insurance or single payer? Do you know the difference and why one violates rights and one doesn’t? Do you care?

 

Do a lot of people claim to be suicidal in your world? Would you want to take the chance she was not?

 

NOPE, Don't care....this is the ABORTION forum....not the ""whine about paying for health insurance forum""