Unvaccinated in 2023

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Improves the odds of what ? and for who ? The mRNA Jab certainly improves the odds of dying and/or Severe Outcome without showing a plausible benefit to healthy people .. is that what you meant ?

    "Some may have fought it off " ?? .. Everyone who didn't get jabbed fought it off without the vax .. as did all those who got covid prior to the Jab existing ... Every healthy person fought it off .. almost without exception .. millions and millions of people .. and it isn't a "May" What on earth are you talking about ? These people did fight it off

    How many healthy people showed up in the Hospital with Covid and ended up Dead prior to the Jab ? How many over the next 2 years after the Jab ?

    Your claims are both vacuous and false .. mouthing what you think you may have heard somewhere from some state sponsored propaganda pundit.

    Answer to the above question - the answer to which you had likely never thought about never mind know -- is Statistically ZERO.

    The Risk of Harm from the vax was far greater than the risk of harm from facing Covid Unvaxed for healthy people .. and by "Healthy" what is meant is not drastically unhealthy .. severe immune compromized - many co-morbidities -- Old -- and morbidly obese ... all at the same time.
     
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    lol, that is what vaccines do, what is it you think they do?
     
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    Well, you can thank Trump for bypassing the usual health protocols in vetting the vaccine ... Operation Warp Speed, remember that?

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    I do and I absolutely remember him even promoting the vaccine. However I do not remember him mandating or putting force behind the solutions being advocated. I remember the same about Florida and DeSantis. He kept the state open, made sure everyone who got a vaccine got one, and even made sure those who didn't had the choice of working, traveling, and monoclonal antibodies.

    It's much easier to accept the outcomes when there isn't force behind it. You place your bets and you win or lose. It's when someone forces you to bet with your own life and when you lose, you're pissed.

    As the video notes, people being shamed for.....reading.... informing themselves...... questioning......

    Those used to be important actions. Now they are problematic according to the left.
     
  6. Daniel Light

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    Your obfuscation is noted.

    NOBODY gets what you call an unsafe vaccination without Operation Warp Speed making it possible to bypass vetting protocol. That was on Trump. Nobody else. Trumpet put his pride above citizen's safety. You voted for that.
     
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    You might be 100% right with that but of course we don't live in a vacuum. This isn't "how's your wife" and the answer is "compared to what?"

    Trump has to be compared to what others did and what others would and did do in the same circumstance. If had a Joe Biden or similar Democrat in office, the wouldn't have slowed down the vaccine. They not only wanted it in our arms, they wanted it with force behind it.

    Did Trump initiate a lockdown. Absolutely and should he be judged for that? Absolutely. Did Biden run the lockdown and emergency orders well past their intended timeframes and need several of them slapped down by courts and did and would similar Democrats do the same or worse? Absolutely.

    Sometimes we don't get a perfect candidate or a perfect solution. Sometimes we just get degrees of suck. In this matter did Trump still suck but suck less than the others, yes.
     
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    Opinion. Not fact.
     
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    Make sure you do a proper risk assessment.
     
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    I recently had COVID. So said the home test kit.

    I didn't need hospitalization, but it was a rough two days. I self-quarantined for a week.

    It's a gradual recovery. Two weeks later, I'm not feeling 100% yet, but I'd call it 90%.

    Why am I not dead or permanently disabled? 5 vaccine shots.

    Vaccines rock.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is wrong with you?

    I refer to you pushing conspiracy theories of "elite pedophiles". If someone fakes stories about their opponents being pedophiles, they are a garbage human. There are lines that decent people don't step over, and calling people pedophiles is stepping over them.
     
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    The highest hospitalization rate per million in Europe is currently under 100. At its very worst in the worst outbreak, Italy had around 600 per million hospitalized.

    The idea that you are only not dead or permanently disabled because of the vaccine is simply nonsense. It's like saying the only reason you didn't die on an airliner flight was because you put your seat belt on during take off and landing.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-hospitalizations-per-million
     
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    Made up number.

    Projection.

    Many liberals were supportive of locking up their fellow citizens for not wearing a mask or getting covid jabs. Many liberals DID fire their employees over it.
     
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    This claim is verifiably false. "Dangerous misinformation", as liberals would call it.

    I'm unjabbed and have never had COVID. I'm perfectly healthy.

    If so, then they died from pulmonary edema, not from COVID. The covid jab doesn't protect anyone from pulmonary edema.
     
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    "Being pushed out the window didn't kill him! The sudden stop at the end did!"

    It's funny, how willing antivaxxers are to debase themselves with arguments like that. And then they wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
     
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    Of course it's a farcical and made-up number by the psychopaths in control.

    It's just as much as a made-up number as in their hilarious and ridiculous covid deaths from their bogus viron that was out there and wiping out all of humanity. <snicker>

    Their Hollywood brainwashing Sci-Fi (PSYOP) movies were prepping all the gullible sheep for more than 50 years with "their" killer viron fantasies.
     
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    False equivalence.
     
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    Not sure how you expect anyone to take you seriously .. attributing made up nonsense to others .. aka strawman fallacy -- and pretending this is a valid argument for something.

    Risk of harm from the Vax to Healthy folks is way higher than the risk of harm from facing Covid Unvaxed over that of a vaxed individual.

    What part of this reality is difficult to understand ?
     
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    You had it worse than me and I have never been vaxed.
    New Zealand did a study that demonstrated the more vax's you are the weaker your immune system, I posted a link to it once upon a time here.
     
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    Nah. That's cuckoo talk.

    Have you own opinion, but don't try to push an alternate reality on us. It's not going to fool anyone.
     
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    Well that you have it after 5 jabs suggests maybe they don't rock. Perhaps more like soft jazz.

    One of my cousins has it now but he is not long out of cancer treatment so his immune system is crap. He still works though. His employer just has him working at night so he doesn't spread it around the place.
     

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