Up to 19 Indonesian 'boys' in WA prisons

Does anyone care? Or is this such a more heinous crime than smuggling marijuana?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-...detained-in-wa-prisons-to-be-released/3663078

 

I totally agree with the point I think you are making - children (under 16) should not be in adult detention centres. One boy was only 14 when he was arrested.

But the article was a little vague about the 19 teenagers concerned. I am 18, and I am certainly not a child, but anyone up to 19 is technically a teenager. So it would be interesting to note how many of those 19 'boys' are under the age of 16, and how many are in reality young men.

 

Children should not be in adult detention centres.

Anyone under 18 is a child.

This is disgusting.

 

I haven`t seen anyone address the obvious safety issue here. If we go soft on juvenile people smugglers, this would obviously encourage the use of inexperienced crew members, resultung in even more deaths at sea.

 

I agree with your basic premise - no child should be in adult detention centres or adult prisons. But I tend to think of anyone 16 and over as closer to a young adult than a child. It was not two months ago that I was under 18, and I do not think anyone could reasonably classify me as a child. I have not changed that much in two months.

 

I understand your point, however, I'm going with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which says anyone under 18 is a child.

 

they are right where they should be.

 

The main problem is that the method they are using to determine their age (wrist xraying) is totally unreliable.

 

These kids are generally illiterate villagers and are being used as pawns by the real people smugglers.

 

This is pretty disgusting.

Maybe Channel 9 could pay these boys parents for a story? It is more newsworthy than one idiot teenager in Bali (who seems to be being treated very well by comparison).

 

Yes - it is a slippery slope. The rot set in after we started going soft on juvenile coal miners. Kiddies love crawling through small tunnels and getting dirty! Why can't people understand this?

 

No teen should be locked in an adult jail. I doubt they played any part in this people smuggling, anyway.

 

If they got taken off the boat then its a safe bet they were in on it Mak.... And yes they should be in jail, people smuggling IS a crime.

 

Children in adult prisons is disgusting.

No matter what the child did, and no matter what country they're in.

They were merely crew: deck hands, cooks etc.

Poor kids trying to make some money for their families.

 

Juveniles should be treated how we treat our own juveniles. And how we expect our juveniles to be treated in Bali.

 

Does the convention say you shouldn't use children to work on people smuggling boats?

Perhaps if people smugglers used children they would be nice enough to ensure they had some ID on them?

Alas, many think asylum seeking via boat is all good and legal, so really as long as the boats come this will happen.

Are you all happy with that?

More mock outrage.

 

People do not "think" this. It is a simple fact set out in legislation. Asylum seeking via boat is all good and legal for refugees.


It is a completely different issue from the mistreatment of juveniles in Australian prisons, which is what this thread is about

 

Juveniles are being used to work on smuggling boats. You don’t want the boats stopped. You think it is good and legal.

You can’t cheer for asylum seekers then bemoan the methods they use.

Reap what you sow.

 

So go and complain to your federal Labor idols. Or perhaps you are not permitted to speak from the prone position you must adopt in their presence.

 

have you got a better method?

 

Is this supposed to make any sense?

I know your ears always prick up for the dog whistles - but try taking off your "racist" hat for a minute and actually looking at the issue. You don't always have to look at everything through your racist glssses. Take them off. Just for once. You may like it.

Juveniles have been arrested for committing an offence in Australia, yet they are not being treated in accordance with out juvenile justice system.

That is wrong.

It does not matter what the offence is - whether it is people smuggling or drug smuggling of child molesting or jay walking - whatever. We have rules for dealing with juveniles. Why aren't they being applied?

 

The above is your reply to my post of : "Originally Posted by aussiefree2ride
I haven`t seen anyone address the obvious safety issue here. If we go soft on juvenile people smugglers, this would obviously encourage the use of inexperienced crew members, resultung in even more deaths at sea."

Are you serious? Have you any idea how dangerous the ocean can be? How can you fail to comprehend such obvious facts?

 

LOL, the racist card, do you have a partisan hack play book?

No, everything has a root cause.

The root cause is people smuggling and you think it is good and legal.

You are all for perpetuating a situation that sends people to their deaths and "alleged" juveniles to work on smuggling boats.


Don't palm off your guilt to me, suck it up.

 

We were discussing juveniles in Australian prisons. Not you racist attitudes to asylum seekers. Please try to keep up.

Please don't tell lies.
We were discussing juveniles who had committed an offence and were being held in adult prisons. Nobody said people smuggling was legal.

And I am doing this by suggesting that juveniles in prisons be properly treated in accordance with Australian Law? How?!?!

You really need to do something about this racism of yours. These posts of yours are becoming incoherrent.

What does this have to do with the treatment of juveniles in Australian prisons? You are losing it dude.

 

That's disgusting. Remind me never to get arrested in Australia.