Up to 8 years: A bill on punishment for "intolerance" towards LGBT people was introduced in the Rada

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  1. Buri

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    Uh, I get that you're into that but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to anyone who doesn't believe in superstition. we have a pretty good idea how our species came to be and that's not it.
     
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    No facts, just an idea. LOL! More fuzzy words from atheists. It's always this could be or may be this way or that way. Never anything concrete. Just guessing.
     
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    we have museums and libraries and entire schools full of facts about how humans came to be, none of which is a threat by any mythology. So, you might as well base marriage off of gaia and uranus. so, if you wanna be married do it, if not then don't I guess. but it's about as special as the paper it was written on.
     
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    No you don't. You have museums and libraries full of information that some conclude based on prior bias towards an old universe-earth that humans evolved from a lower level creature. But, there is no proof of this. None. In fact, there is more proof of young universe-earth now that the opposite. When you read an article suggesting humans have evolved from lower levels of life, you will see in almost every paragraph "fuzzy words." "Could be" "May be" Might be" "May have" and so on... Nothing concrete. Just thoughts and opinions.
     
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    It is civil — not sacred.
     
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    Your entire faith is not concrete.
    It is belief in something that cannot be proven.
     
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    If God says it's sacred, it is sacred. How could you deny this if you don't believe in God? What knowledge do you have to chime in on anything sacred if you know nothing of what is sacred?
     
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    But my testimony is I KNOW for a fact that God lives and Jesus is the Christ. No fuzzy words there. So, my faith is concrete. Your ideology of evolution is unproven theories with fuzzy words trying to convince the ignorant that their theories are true when unproven.
     
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    Until you prove your version of god exists, your belief that the one god out of millions of gods and goddesses says it is sacred is only your opinion.

    It carries zero weight

    The knowledge I have is of the law and reality
     
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    You do not KNOW anything, you believe.

    Your belief is no more concrete than the people that believe the earth is flat
     
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    Not in this debate. It's your opinion and version that carries no weight because you don't have any knowledge, faith or testimony of God. So, you cannot speak on God at all with any truth or belief. So, why do so at all?
     
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    And that is the point. Not only do you not know anything to be able to prove or disprove God, but you lack the desire to receive the faith required to just get started. No curiosity whatsoever. And, your analogy is flat because it's comparing apples to oranges. We can see with our physical eyes that the world is not flat. We can also see with our spiritual eyes that God lives. But the physical and spiritual eyes are not the same. They cannot be judged the same way. Until you understand this, you will continue to get what you've always got, nothing but insanity towards religious people. You can't even begin to debate by faith which religion, church, priesthood is the one authorized and ordained of God. I can see clearly the debate because I have both physical and spiritual eyes on the subject. You do not have complete clarity and ability of depth of the subject because you only have one eye open...
     
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    I have no “insanity” towards religious people.
    You have your beliefs just as the people that flew planes into buildings to worship their version of god did. Just as the people that sacrificed children at alters for good crop rotations. Just as those that worshiped deities for everything they could not explain.

    You and them are similar in blind arrogance and through demands that others not only acknowledge your faith but also asset it as true.
     
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    This response is a perfect example of what I am talking about with respect to the physical and spiritual eye. You have no idea nor concept of the reason those people flew a suicide mission into the buildings on 9/11. And, you have no idea of what the spiritual eye is. Neither did the Muslims that caused 3,000 people to die on 9/11. Yet, you continue to blabber nonsense about something you know nothin of. No faith. No belief. No understand. Understand?
     
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    Yes, I completely understand, religious extremism is a cult.
    What you just posted is a prime sampling of the mental distress that it creates.
     
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    You can post your filth and attacks all you want but it won't work. You don't have credibility on the subject until you develop faith. But, you won't because you are here trying to make evil good with LGBT acts. Now, that is a cult! Completely at odds with the norm. Cult.
     
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    The "gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage" has always been the most ridiculous rationalization, in my opinion. Heterosexual couples are not the "gold standard" of healthy, working relationships by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    So only religious extremists can call out religious extremism?

    Fascinating stuff.

    “It” doesn’t have to work as the share of people like you are rapidly decreasing while the number of people accepting of gay people is increasing. I believe that is why so many right wing evangelicals have become so unstable lately — their fear-mongering and holier than thou rhetoric is failing.
     
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    Believing in Christ isn't extremism. Where do you get this nonsense from? And, the Gospel of Jesus Christ doesn't depend upon gay people and what they think. I think it would not be wise to judge percentages and numbers of believers and church goers for a while because of the pandemic. As Churches begin to open up more and more, you will see a shift back to Doctrine and church going.
    As far as people not going to Church, mostly happens when people aren't working so much as most churches have people pay annual dues to belong to a particular church and it's building. Our Church runs on tithing and fast offerings. I'm sure tithing is down but people are still allowed to attend our church even when not paying tithing. So, our numbers aren't failing like many are. And, about a year before the pandemic hit and closed Churches, our Prophet was guided by the Lord to move towards a more home study gospel oriented Church called "Come Follow Me." So, when the Pandemic hit, we simply were able to keep our learning moving forward in our homes. Not only that, those with Priesthood holders in them were able to continue to bless and pass the sacrament each week to our families and friends who came over. And, when we were able to begin ZOOM Church meetings, we were able to have great attendance as well. Nothing extreme about exercising our right to express our religious beliefs including teaching about sin and what acts are sin like homosexual acts. It's right up there with adultery and murder.
     
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    No one cares

    You do not comprehend the original unedited texts if you believe monogamous consensual same sex relationships were considered sin.

    Perverting the word of God to fit your own bias and hate.. that might not end well for you.
     
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    I'm not perverting the word of God. You are. I know the word of God. You don't. Romans Chapter 1 is the word of God. :oldman:
     
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    You may know it but your bigotry perverts it’s meaning.
     
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    Romans Chapter 1:24-32 all speaking of homosexual acts:
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    Sorry dude, but you are simply living with blinders on if you can't read and understand that this is a rebuke to homosexual behaviors and acts. It's the wok crowd perverting the meaning that is clear and concise.
     
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    That you quoted a version that was edited by the church shows just how desperate the arguments are.
     
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