US asks Germany for troops in Syria - Germany denies this wish

I of course would say the same of you.
The Democrats, MSM , Hollywood, and the universities are all wrong minded. Have a wrong world view and teach that view to the majority.

 

What a narrow ray you're casting, bud. I'm talking from a global perspective. CNN and MSNBC are definitely biased sources, and from a global perspective are pretty normal in terms of the severity of their slant, much like RT. Fox, on the other hand, is as bad as any directly state-run news source. I'd put Fox News right up there with Al-Masdar and Sputnik in terms of unattachment to reality.

RT has a major problem, they spent over a decade attacking America and NATO allies from a progressive or socialist bent. About six years ago it became clear that the anti-liberal or anti-neoliberal energy was coming from the right, but RT had already built a culture geared towards progressive critiques, especially in their English-speaking branches. This has really moderated English RT in recent years.

 

I am saying perspective is irrelevant. There is right and wrong. The left is wrong.

 

"The left." You clearly aren't getting my point. There are HUGE differences between RT socialist, Al Jazeera semi-liberal democrat, CNN neoliberal, BBC liberal, etc. etc.

Now, I know you think they're just "all wrong," but the truth is that you would find yourself agreeing with an RT socialist on many, many things, such as trade, relations with Russia, and the true nature of American Democrats and liberals.

 

I don’t really care what Fox is being considered from global perspective.
I see a heavy pro-Russian bias in their news, which is not a surprise because Russian government literally owns RT. No commercial mass media is ever going to be as biased as mass media owned by a country’s government. And especially if that government is being led by an insecure idiot who is dreaming of owning his own little superpower on a quest to “prove” US wrong at every turn, like a teenager who demands attention.

It’s a well known fact that RT is the outlet of Russian propaganda. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and behaves like a duck - it’s most certainly a duck. Same concept applies to RT. Fox is a commercial organization that is driven by profit - they won’t knowingly push fake news or ridiculously misquote someone to fit their narrative. You can’t claim Fox is worse than RT with serious face.

 

RT is socialist?
That’s a new one!

 

Okay. I'm not talking about "global perspective" in the sense of "how the globe sees." I'm talking about a global perspective in terms of how Fox stacks up to news organizations around the world. They're awful. They're not as bad as Russian-language RT, Arabic-language Al Jazeera, or any Chinese organization, but they're really close.

In their Russian language coverage they are 100% a propaganda arm of the Kremlin. In their English coverage they're slightly or moderately pro-Russian in slant. They're a lot like Al Jazeera, where if you read their English-language coverage they've gathered heavily from progressive and socialist intelligentsia to build their operations, which gives them a very different slant than what you'd see in their home country reporting.

For example, you can definitely see a pro-Muslim Brotherhood slant even from English Al Jazeera, but they tend to downplay the Islamist aspects of it, and you can see them being pretty critical of Erdogan, the Muslim Brotherhood's most important international ally.

I absolutely can. Fox is almost as bad as Russian-language RT, they're beyond terrible.

 

Oh look, someone who only started paying attention to Russian perspectives in 2016.

Yes, English-speaking RT is extremely progressive and socialist. You clearly don't watch it at all.

 

I think America should have as good of relations with other countries as they will allow.
Truth of the matter the rest of the is so abhorrent to me my isolationist tendencies are growing rapidly. The rest of the world can go to hell. Especially the EU.
You had gasoline during the 80s and 90s becauae American carriers kept tankers safe. Medical research, computer research, just about everything the world has been riding out coat tails since the end of WW2 and all America gets is criticism and anger..
Up yours world..

 

Facebook followers:
CNN: 31M
Fox News: 17M
BBC News: 49M
Al Jazeera: 12M
New York Times: 11M.

RT: 5M
Sputnik: 1M
Fort Russ (Jeanette likes to quote): 22,000.

So, from global perspective one can easily tell that RT and Sputnik are just garbage and have no real audience/following.

Reuter’s has low following too, but Reuter’s doesn’t broadcast directly and make their money by selling their stories to other news outlets.

 

You admit to knowing Russian?
Are you a Russian or someone from former USSR?

 

For Russian perspective I read Newsru.com. They seem to be fairly balanced and even feature opinion section that is heavily anti-government.
I did compare RT to newsru a few times and RT lost by all measures to Newsru. The only problem is that Newsru is in Russian.

 

I'm not talking about how many people watch them, I'm talking about how their worldview lines up.

Oh God no, I don't speak Russian at all and know very little Arabic, I just have a habit bizarre of pasting Op-Ed columns out of RT and Al Jazeera into Google translate because I'm obsessed with differing viewpoints from around the world. That's a lot of why I like this forum, it has a fairly active non-American and even non-Anglo contingency.

Look, I'm not trying to paint a pro-RT picture here. When we're comparing the biased nature of various news sources you have to consider that maybe I just view CNN as more biased than you do, rather than RT as less biased than you (thought it's probably both.)

 

Its not my fault you have not heard of Ed Schultz - so you don't get out much. He was a very well known MSNBC commentator.

And who said anything about Ed writing favorably ? What is wrong with your brain ? He worked for RT - Obviously then the pieces he was writing were not written by some Russian propagandist.

Further - interviews with US citizens such as Ron Paul also have merit. I don't need to read a silly project conducted by some Journalism Students because - unlike you- I have actually read articles from the site - and it is from this that I form an Opinion.

As stated previously - some of the writers are going to inject some bias. So what else is new ? The vast majority of material on our major networks is now Editorial = NOT news - in case you didn't know. First rule of journalism school "Thou shalt not editorialize".

What is nonsense is you claiming that some article is falsehood - simply because it comes from RT. That is mindless ad hom fallacy on steroids

I went to the link you posted - you probably didn't even read it. Half the stories they point out are on "Ukraine" - obviously these would have a bias towards Russia.

The fact of the matter is that in terms of editorializing, propaganda and falsehoods - RT does not hold a candle to Fox, MSNBC, CNN.

 

Unlike many Russian trolls on this forum I do not hide the fact that I was born in Ukraine and am very fluent with Russian and Ukrainian languages.
I do find it hilarious that someone who’s name is probably in the likes of Boris is attempting to explain to me how great and truthful RT is when I can figure it out for myself because I can read Russian and English. I tested RT over the years multiple times, in Russian and in English and my findings were that RT is so ridiculous, you are better off reading TASS or some other true Russian news site. At least those outlets are trying to not be too ridiculous when it comes to news because they are “officially owned” by the state.

And I bet Liz Wahl would tell you to take Ed Schultz and shove him where the sun doesn’t shine.

CNN, MSNBC, Fox are comparable to Russian TASS or Newsru, but definitely not RT, Sputnik or Fort Russ. And again, I say that as someone who understands Russian and doesn’t hide that fact.

 

I was born in Nebraska - not that this is any of your business but - I now understand why you go out of your mind at the mention of anything related to Russia.

That you try to claim that anyone who doesn't buy into the absurd falsehoods you spew as a "Russian Troll" is laughable idiocy.

 

Falsehoods like what? Seeing Russia for what it actually is?
Russia has a troll factory - a fact confirmed by many former employees. The objective of those trolls is to go to Internet forums and social media, defend Russia in as many discussions as possible and blame everything on the west. Other objectives - drive internal division in the US (Russians pretending to be black and organizing meetings, some pretend to be liberals, some pretend to be conservatives and publicly arguing attempting to drive up emotions to the max). Also, their objective is to divide western nationals. Trolls attempt to look legitimate by quoting bogus articles from Questionable sources, like RT, Sputnik or Fort Russ. These are indisputable facts!!!
Considering all of that there is no surprise that we can have a Russian that pretends to be a German who posts inflammatory posts quoting RT with the ultimate goal of causing division among US and German population. There could be another troll sitting in next cubicle pretending to be someone from Nebraska and continuously defend the most ridiculous Russian actions by using deflections like - look, the US killed a bunch of people in Vietnam, that means Russia is OK to gas kids in Syria.

Boris, you ain’t from no Nebraska. And your RT is pure garbage, even from Russian perspective.

 

Absolute hysteria. Yes, there are Russian troll farms. They probably represent something like 0.0005 percent of internet posts. Less, even.

Sobo is not one. Giftedone is not one. I am a paid Russian troll, but that's just happenstance.

Now Jeannette might, might be. She's probably just a scary conservative Greek Orthodox maniac, but her posting style indicates to me some level of disingenuousness.

EDIT: And there's another poster here who I swear must spend hours on a single post, changing the color and font of every other letter. Probably just a psychopath, but part of me wonders...

 

Not just about Russia - your falsehoods flow regardless of the topic.

All sources should be questioned - no one claimed otherwise - What is laughable nonsense is your claim that Fox, MSNBC, CNN are better.

Then to finish off you spout some falsehoods about Russia gassing kids in Syria - Completely made up nonsense with no basis in fact.

 

That’s not hysteria.
That’s a well known fact. I don’t claim most of the members I interact with here are Russian trolls but I have reasons to believe that 10-15 active posters here are the trolls. And I never claimed their impact is huge, the impact on real politics is tiny, but there is no reason to pretend they don’t exist and they don’t post here.

 

4 million and 80 million germans. We once had 6 million jews. How many africans and hispanics you have?

 

Yes, it is. Either you haven't spoken to these posters very much or you are very bad at absorbing other people's worldviews.

The scale is not "well-known fact," and common sense alone dictates it to be minimal. I'd charge, nearly non-existent.

That is absolute madness. How long have you been posting on political forums for?

I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm guessing they spend most of their time on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, not here. There might be an active poster here, or two, that are paid trolls, but I doubt it.

Sobo? I'd sooner believe that you're a paid Russian troll than that Sobo is.

 

I have news for you. Majority of east germans want alliance with russia, break with usa and give a **** about crimea. I wont allow a chernobylian to dictate what news i can use. Until 2 years ago i was absolute anti russia. That changed 180 degree.

Im Germany first. Russia definitly poses a much smaller threat to us than usa

 

Yes most East Germans want "alliance" with Muscovia that they rushed to join NATO and EU after unification.

How good is that "samogon" you're drinking?

Many former east Germans would probably crack you one for talking so glowingly about your former Russki "friends".

 

All 5 east german minister presidents called for an end of sanctions against russia.

The MP of Saxony meet with Putin and said he supports him.




If you would be honest, which you arent, you must admit, that in past i was absolute anti russian. You even wrote me pm to show your support.

My opinion has changed since Trump. Trump is an enemy of Germany. Its that easy.