US Conservative Activist Brittany Pettibone Is Being Held in London’s Colnbrook Bypass Prison as Pol

He's British. They can stop him, and they will try. But it's much harder because it's his country. The other man is Austrian. And of course, the point remains is that he's only planning on doing it at all because the speech writer was refused entry, imprisoned and deported - which sort of underlines my argument rather than undermining it.

 

So it is your position that non-resident non-citizens should enjoy the constitutional rights of citizens?

I take it you consider Trump's travel ban to be unconstitutional, then.

 

Good video. They make kind of an odd couple, he seems FAR more intellectual than Brittney, though I would assume they have to be pretty serious if they are making this relationship public.

 

...I don't know anything about him but even if that is the case, intellectuals need to be balanced by someone more in touch with their emotion IMO and vis versa. I see no point in dating someone like yourself except to ensure they share your values.

 

My position is that they have an absolute right to enter the country, speak and then leave as per visa restrictions.

If you then ask me to compare President Trump banning immigration from the seven worst Islamic countries in the world to the UK fascist authorities banning Brittany Pettibone and partner, I have to respectfully step out of the discussion.

 

I guess, but usually unless it is a lust based or trophy wife situation couples are fairly well matched intellectually.

Once the hormones calm down quality conversation becomes much more important. Then again she may agree with everything he says so that could work too.

 

I think the main target was her boyfriend Hellner. They're both in on immigration matters I believe.

 

No-one except a citizen has the absolute right to enter a country. I know you mentioned visa conditions, which is fair enough, but there are other issues involved in deciding to allow someone in. One of those issues is purpose. If allowing the person in and allowing them to speak incited a major disturbance then they should not be allowed in. That's across the board, any opinion from whatever side of the political spectrum, if it's going to cause trouble then they don't get in. There are enough domestic **** stirrers without importing them.

 

Right, a really mild-mannered Austrian wants to give a speech at Speakers' Corner, a well-known venue for inflammatory speeches over the years, speeches way more "inciteful" than whatever Tommy's going to deliver on Sunday on his behalf. Major ****ing disturbance? Like twenty people applauding and saying "rah rah rah, way to go, dude"? Major ****ing disturbance? Yah, bullshit - the only thing he was going to "majorly disturb" was any ants he might inadvertently tread on.

There are many interviews with this pair out there now. Here's a half hour job with Stefan Molyneux:

 

You can argue that racist speech is a good thing or a bad thing (its sad that some see it as a good thing IMHO). That is not really the issue. They broke British law. Legally they were responsible for knowing what the law was and obeying it. When you break a foreign country's law, you should expect to go to jail.

They could have stayed in the US where they were free to make racist comments to their hearts content.

 

Now Lauren Southern bites the dust:

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/973149836462755840

 

I can see the argument against letting foreigners in if they plan to hold rallies etc...

But in the case of Pettybone she was NOT going to appear at a rally, she was simply there to meet with and interview a Tommy Robison, a British citizen, in a one on one meeting. That right there is very odd, people being kicked out of the country simply for planning to meet with a free British citizen? If he is so dangerous and what he says is so illegal one would think he would be locked up, but saying no one can visit him and share what he has to say is another matter entirely.

And now Lauren Southern was booted out too.

 

I'm curious, did you say anything in public about the Filipino Parliamentarian, the Swiss Muslim academic or any other person refused entry into the US when they were denied entry? Or have you suddenly discovered this pressing principle now that someone who shares you nationality & some of your views is being denied entry?

I'm betting its the latter. I'm betting that you weren't nearly as concerned when your President put blanket bans on visas from entire nations. People who had done nothing wrong were detained for longer than a couple of days when that happened. Its fine for your nation to do that, but when the UK denies entry to two rather unpleasant political activists suddenly its all about 'freedom & western values'. Yeah, sure.

Oh, and your little white supremacist doesn't have the 'right' to enter another nation if that nation doesn't want her there. So, her rights are intact. I'm sure you'll get over your confected shock in time.

 

Every nation has a 'But....' in its free speech laws, including yours. Britons have a legal right to free speech and they use it, regularly.

Here is a nice list of legal restrictions to free speech in the US. Quite a decent sized 'But...' Guess that makes your Constitition a lie by your standards. Yes?

 

It seems that freedom of speech, and thus thought and ideas, has become "Far Right Wing". The Left is behaving in the same authoritarian manner in the rest of the democracies but perhaps with less success.

Has the middle been forgotten?

 

Does it matter what they're called if they are authoritarian? That's a philosophical and political trap.

 

I doubt any Brit would be locked up in the US for attempting to speak their views, and the Brits would be the first to holler if it ever happened.

 

When removing free speech is being rationalized as a good thing you don't have to stick a fork in it.

 

Yeah, there is something about getting the government we deserve but it'still a damned shame. I still have family and friends there and it was once a great country. They put their guard down.

 

Refusing entry, which Britain has done before, and imprisoning them is quite different.

 

Holding people in detention pending a return to their destination is very common. America does it all the time and often for more than 2 days. I am aware of people who have been held for weeks in the US pending a decision on letting them enter the US.

There is nothing special or unusual here, just a lot of right wing web sites getting hysterical because one of their poster girls isn't allowed to enter the UK.

 

In fact they did carry the story.

“Fascinating that the U.K. Border Force allows so many illegals to slip through the cracks, but it’s suddenly the most competent Border Force in the world when it comes to banning two female conservative independent journalists and an Identitarian activist,” Pettibone said on Twitter after her release.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...y-to-uk-purportedly-over-criticism-islam.html

 

Aww, this probably means fewer videos of moronic neo nazi turdbuckets getting their very dim lights punched out.

SAD.

 

So two HARMLESS (and stunningly beautiful) girls were banned while all of the HARMFUL pieces of human waste below were allowed in!

Britain is now OFFICIALLY a complete joke of a country if it wasn't before.

 

I doubt anyone is "hysterical". The general response, as far as I can tell, is one of regret for this once great nation. On the other hand the British people seem to be adapting to Islam quite well.

I recall that a British politician tried to quote the words of Winston Churchill and was arrested for doing so. Odd that Winston Churchill, one of the greatest leaders in British history, would be locked up today for 'Hate Speech".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...candidate-arrested-over-Churchill-speech.html