US/NATO rule out halt to expansion,reject Russia demands.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-nato-rule-out-halt-to-expansion-reject-russian-demands-1.5731353

This should give Kremlin Botox chimp hemmoroids....surely he must've expected this....but its usual Russki making unreasonable demands.

What will Vladolf Putler do now....fill his pants?....more aggression in DPR?.....nuke DC?....lotsa bonfires in Putinkas "backyard" ....latest one in Kazakhstan....must've caught him off guard....I assume US will be blamed?

 

The decision by NATO to continue to push for the freedom of nations will always cause disdain in tyrants seeking glory in their empires.

 

US/NATO has already made rejection of Russia's demands perfectly clear when they tried to do to Kazakhstan what they did to Ukraine.

Putin has already warned the West what would happen

 

And what is that?

Are you implying that US was behind what transpired in Kazakhstan?

Chinos or Turks can be behind it for all anyone is aware.

Kremlin $hitnugget sounds desperate....too many bonfires to put out..

 

US/NATO may find out the hard way.

It reeks of exactly that.

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Find out hard way??....We've pushed this far....Russia did nothing.

It reeks of it.....lotsa things reek....theres no solid connection of US involvement.

Chinos,Turks could be culprits.

 

Over the years, I've had several dreams about Putin. The last one was back in May 2021. In my dream, Putin walked into my old elementary school via the back door. He walked down the hall to an office and weighed a package that had the number 5 written on it and the Tsarist imperial seal stamped on it.

The interesting thing about that old elementary school... I attended there only in the 5th and 6th grades [1962 & 1963] and my two classrooms were across the hall from each other right next to the back door Putin had walked into in my dream. The Cuban nuclear missile crisis happened when I was there in the 5th grade. My class would do nuclear war drills out in the hallway that Putin walked down in my dream.

 

Good for NATO.

 

Might even turn out to mostly be a struggle between factions inside the government, none of whom are being supported by outside actors.

 

What's Biden gonna threaten Russia with? Arming them with billions in military equipment?

 

Per this CNN news article, NATO not expanding further east is an unacceptable demand from Putin. Apparently there is no reason for Russia to bother to attend those "talks"

"NATO sources say the demands could be "deliberately ridiculous to force a rollback on things like admitting new NATO members, pulling the likes of Ukraine and Finland from the mix... "

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/09/europe/nato-russia-meeting-intl-cmd/index.html

 

My May 2021 dream [see my previous post] is becoming more and more symbolic.

In my dream, Putin was weighing a package with an Imperial Tsarist eagle stamped on it. That symbol includes the coat of arms of Kiev-Vladimir-Novgorod and the Grand Duchy of Finland

See link

https://irongatearmory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/p-7817-FRussia-Russia-Imperial_04_LRG.jpg

 

This is crazy. There is clearly a deal to be made here, with an advantage to the West, but the US seems to think raising aggression levels with Russia will accomplish...something. I'm not clear what and I doubt they know either.

 

The US and NATO had nothing to do with whatever is happening in Kazakhstan. Most likely Putin himself is behind all of the violence there.

The US and NATO supported the Ukrainian revolution but were hardly responsible for it happening.

If Putin expands his invasion of Ukraine, then Biden will keep providing the Ukrainians with weapons to kill Russian invaders with.

Also, heavier forces will be stationed in Poland to face off against Russia.

Our stealth bombers will pummel Russia with impunity until there is nothing in Russia left to bomb if Russia ever invades the EU.

 

Biden will keep sending weapons to Ukraine so they can keep killing Russian invaders.

Biden will also move heavier forces into Poland to face off against Russia.

 

I don't see any deals available. What kind of deal do you think can be had here?

Raising aggression levels prepares us to destroy a Russian invasion of the EU.

It also keeps Russia busy with endless fighting in Ukraine.

 

lol...no.

 

That is what the US will be doing in response if Russia expands their invasion of Ukraine.

 

I have to think there are things we want from Russia that we could trade Ukraine NATO membership (which we don't want!) for. A promise to stop hacking of US institutions from Russian territory and some steps to stop sabotaging the dollar as the reserve currency. Probably dozens of other thing as well. As long as they keep their part of the bargain we can keep ours.

Basically we have something Russia wants really bad (no NATO membership for Ukraine). We on the other hand, don't want it. It's ridiculous. So since it's worthless to us but very valuable to the Russians, we have the upper hand for things we really want.

 

Russkis don't keep their "end of the bargain"....they don't understand that language.

They understand an iron pipe to the head.

 

We literally can't lose. They break their agreements, NATO membership is back on the table and it will be the Russian's fault.

 

I fear that what zoom_copter66 just said is correct. I don't trust Russia to keep their end of a bargain unless there is a serious and credible threat of negative consequences.

 

It sounds good, but isn't there some sort of fable about an animal carrying a scorpion across the river, and the scorpion stinging the animal mid-river, with the animal saying "why did you do that, now we'll both drown" and the scorpion saying that it is in his nature?

I just get the feeling that making a deal with Russia is like swimming that scorpion across the river.

 

We're due for a reset. About 100 years is the max peace time this world can suffer. Why waste time, hit the ******ned button and let the dogs of war loose.
Millions will surely dies, but it never really mattered much in the past. The survivors will struggle for a time but they'll get out stronger in the end and rebuild a new civilisation, without all of the cry babbies from both side of the political spectrum which hopefully will be a big part of those millions who'll be written off.

Call it nature's way of controlling the human population growth. Pass a certain point, the female of the species start pumping out more and more stupid people on the left and right until it reach a boiling point. Then we get peace after that for about a century.

 

That's just an argument to not have any agreements with them.

But my point is that it doesn't matter. At the moment they break the agreement, then it's no longer valid and NATO membership is back on the table.