US Navy Drops LCS Plans, Concept After Latest Failures

To be squid correct, we built hundreds of "frigates" and called them "Destroyer Escorts" during WW ll.

Some time around the mid 1970's the U.S. Navy's destroyer escorts were reclassified as frigates too keep aligned with European NATO navies who classified their escorts that displaced between 1,000 tons to 4,000 tons as frigates.

Corvettes are small heavily armed warships displacing between 500 tons to 1,000 tons.

Any war vessel under 500 tons would be classified as a patrol boat or a patrol craft. Today many are classified as "fast attack craft."

Destroyers fall between cruisers and frigates. They are unarmored and heavily armed. Most "Tin Can Sailors" agree that the best destroyer ever built was the Fletcher class destroyer.

The U.S. Navy's Little Crappy Ships (LCS) displaces between 3,100 tons to 3,500 tons, are lightly armed, cant fight, they leak and break down any time they put out to sea.

The LCS has no urinals and if a ship doesn't have urinals it isn't a real warship. Before liberals adopted political correctness, all warships use to have urinals on the weather deck.

Nobody knows what the purpose of the LCS is. It can't fight and can only challenge ski boats. It always needs a tug boat escort so it can be towed back to port when it breaks down.

The LCS program should be canceled and all of the LCS's scrapped and turned into aluminum beer cans.

 

If anything shows how much of a dinosaur your thinking is, it would have to be your misogynist position that a ship has to have urinals to be a warships. Yeah, because clearly is you have to sit down to pee, you can't be a warrior.

 

It was during the Clinton administration when liberals in Congress declared urinals to be sexist and removed from all U.S. Navy ships and replaced with PC gender friendly commodes in the name of political correctness.

Big problems popped up, women at sea use three times more water than male sailors when it comes to mother nature and personal hygiene. PC toilets actually use more water than urinals.

When they started replacing the urinals on existing ships the ships black water tanks overflowed. This became a really expensive problem when a ship was in a foreign port. Honey dew scowls are expensive to hire to empty the black water tanks.

So the PC regulations were stood down and only new ships will be politically correct with no urinals and just PC friendly toilets. Today's PC warships have huge black water tanks replacing ammunition magazines and weapons systems in the name of PC diversity.

Now you have male sailors facing a "Captains Mast" for leaving the toilet seat up !!! And any ship's Captain who doesn't punish a politically incorrect sexist male sailor who leaves the toilet seat up will walk the plank in Obama's PC Navy.

Women shouldn't be serving on warships !!!

It wasn't the aircraft carrier or battleships that defeated the JIN in the Pacific during WW ll but the U.S. Navy "Battle Control" procedures. U.S. Navy warships were able to take a beating and kept afloat because of battle control procedures. By the end of the Vietnam War the U.S. Navy had perfected battle control procedures and like every Marine is a rifleman first, every American sailor is a fireman first.

The problem is, most female sailors can't accomplish the majority of the battle control missions on a ship. It takes two female sailors to do the same mission as one male sailor be it moving a fire pump, carrying a body stretcher or shutting off a valve.

 

Yes, we know, everything the military has done has been PC social experimentation in your mind ever since Truman forced whites to serve with blacks.

Only white Christian men should be warriors, right?

 

White northern European Christian warriors make better warriors than undisciplined Muslim jihadist warriors.

White PC secular men don't make good warriors.

 

If you have to sit down to pee you can't be a warrior.

 

It is why I believe we need a corvette class of ships that is brown water capable, and can deploy a contingent of marines or naval infantry.

 

I think we should licence the riverine ships the Colombians are building. They do exactly what you are talking about.

 

Can they keep up with and provide escort to the blue water fleet as well?

 

I'm not sure. I don't know what their open water performance is like.

But as a littoral ship, they have done a number on the FARC.

 

Is it too much to ask for an escort ship that can even escort destroyers?

 

The LCS is really fast ! The Freedom class LCS at 47 knots and the Independence class CLS at 44 knots.

The question asked and the joke in the Surface Warfare Community why do they need to be so fast ? To run away from any enemy boat larger than a ski boat and runaway. The LCS can't fight and survive in combat.

Can a LCS keep up with the blue water fleet ? The endurance and range is lacking, with the Freedom class having a 3,500 nmi range at 14 knots and the Independence class range of 4.300 nmi at 18 knots.

The Arleigh Burke-class destroyers are capable of 32 knots and have a range of 4,400 nmi at 20 knots.

The WW ll era Gearing class DD's that served into the 1970's were capable of 36.8 knots and a 4,500 nml range at 20 knots.

The WW ll Fletcher class DD was capable of 38 knots and had a range of 6,300 nmi at 20 knots.

 

Can't fight an survive in combat with what? A nuclear powered guided missile cruiser or a missile destroyer? Well no (*)(*)(*)(*) they can't. They aren't designed to fight major combatants.

The LCS are designed to fight unconventional enemies, like swarm boats.

 

Are you referring to those little Iranian ski boats that confronted two U.S. Navy heavily armed patrol boats and the American sailors surrendered without even putting up a fight because instead of being indoctrinated in the U.S. Military Code of Conduct they were instead being indoctrinated in mandatory PC diversity ?


Code of Conduct
for
Members of the United States Armed Forces

I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

II
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

III
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

IV
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

VI
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

Navy’s $670 Million Fighting Ship Is ‘Not Expected to Be Survivable,’ Pentagon Says -> https://www.wired.com/2013/01/littoral-combat-ship/

LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP: NOT BUILT FOR SURVIVABILITY -> https://technologysecurity.wordpres...oral-combat-ship-not-built-for-survivability/

 

1. The two US boats had illegally invaded Iranian waters. Their boat commander, wisely, did not want to unilaterally start a war with Iran over his own (*)(*)(*)(*) up against the will of the President and without the authorization of Congress. But I guess you believe whether or not we go to war with a nation should be based on the decisions of an O-2.

2. How many times do I have to repeat that the LCS were never design for surface warfare against a major combatant, so no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing (*)(*)(*)(*) are no good at it?

 

It was Iran who violated international maritime law not the the U.S. Navy.

It was U.S. Navy sailors who violated the U.S. Military Code of Conduct.

It was the Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus and his boss the CnC Barck Obama who failed to properly train these sailors to be American sailors.

It's SOP that a U.S. Navy vessel be scuttled if it appears it might be captured.

The sailors allowed the American colors to be struck on both Navy craft which is sovereign U.S. territory and replaced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard flag.

Just another Obama legacy and some wonder why Russian aircraft are buzzing our ships in the Black Sea.

 

Any objection to a brown water capable, corvette class ship that can fulfil some riverine warfare capability and still provide traditional escort duties to a blue water fleet?

 

The US illegally sent armed warships into Iranian territorial waters. Ours was the illegal act. "Innocent passage" doesn't apply.

So when were Ray Mabus or Barack Obama originally scheduled to hold the class for these sailors to teach them the Code of Conduct? I'll take a month and year.

That SOP applies to capture by an enemy during wartime yes?

 

How would the U.S. react to an armed Iranian gunboat arriving on American shores?

 

our destroyers may need to carry more boats.

 

Huh?..

 

Magically on their own? Or did they want the LCS because someone had a need?

 

You seem heavily invested in defending the removal of urinals from warships.

 

The data does back this up.

 

Why do you say that?
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Obama turned our navy into propaganda for Iran.

Nobody respects the guy.