US/Russian Deal on Syria. Great diplomacy Obama!

1) Complete inventory of chemical weapons arsenal due in one weel

2) Chemical weapons destroyed by mid 2104

3) UNSC could consider a 'use of force' resolution


That is a fair agreement to me.

Great diplomacy Obama

Is this better than WAR? Did Obama do what is right?

Are Americans being represented by this type of political diplomacy or are their idiots that would want war instead?

 

Think you meant 2014.

Any diplomacy is better than getting involved over there.

If they don't comply however, then what? Do we auto bomb them?

 

you are correct. I made a type O. Thank you!

i agree

not in my book. I would find out "WHY" first.

remember, i am of the belief, that Assad DID NOT chem his own people and will sustain that end, until i have more to go on. So I dont see Syria having to answer to NO one on this.

I find that for Syria to even make this agreement, that they are siding on compassion and personal responsibility. The willingness to give up its arsenal is fantastic and good for any and all. If the west tries to claim that palestine is hiding, misleading, and of non compliance, simply because of not making the 'other side' happy, is not a reason.

I have no doubt that there will be sites that 'they' will not open up and it aint because they are hiding chems, but I could believe that they already have nukes. I could see them giving up the chems, knowing that they have far more destructive power, in the event of being attacked, but that the west has no idea.

I do not discount the capabilities of both compassion and it's opposite to any. So i often put my head in 'their' shoes to consider how would "I" handle it.

That is why when I speculate, the answers may be scary to many.

 

John Kerry stumbled his way into diplomacy by accident, Obama didn't do anything here. He had no choice. Congress and the UN wouldn't have supported him, The population of the US was entirely against it. Putin just gave him an out for something that was a blatantly manufactured case for war. The US interests that have nothing to do with the Syrian people (who every US gvt official who backs Syrian action doesn't actually give a sh*t about, since they're already creating more civilian casualties through supporting the rebels,) remain, and whether or not weapons inspectors go through and find weapons then destroy them, Syria's still going to be taken down. If history's any teacher, it's easy to assume that the US doesn't care whether or not a government complies with WMD treaties and agreements - If there's a strategic reason for the western oligarchy to take out a government, it will. Evidence be damned. Anyone who thinks that this is seen by the US and its allies as more than a temporary setback to the reasons why the evidence of chemical weapons use was manufactured in the first place is grossly misinformed. The US and Israeli governments don't care at all about what the Syrians are going through. They just want a new and more productive place to put their war machine.

If anything, Putin saved Obama and the democratic party's ass by turning Kerry's words into a shield for his closest ally in the region. A big win for Russia and a humiliating yet pragmatic action by the Obama administration. He might actually go down as even worse than Dubya by the time his term ends.

 

The U.S. and Russia struck a deal demanding the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons by mid-2014, with the U.S. saying it maintained a military option to ensure compliance.

The agreement calls for initial inspections in Syria, which is engulfed in a civil war, by November and gives President Bashar al-Assad a week to provide an inventory of the weapons he didn’t acknowledge having until this week. United Nations approval would also be needed to impose sanctions.

“There can be no games, no room for avoidance or anything less than full compliance by the Assad regime,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters today in Geneva at a joint briefing with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, after three days of negotiations in the city. President Barack Obama, who twice delayed possible U.S. military intervention, “always retains the right” to use force, Kerry said.

The diplomats said they hoped to use the deal to revive a stalled peace process to end fighting that has killed more than 100,000 people in the past 2 1/2 years. Kerry and Lavrov will meet this month with the UN’s Syria envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, during the UN General Assembly to set a date for a conference. While Assad has agreed to take part, the Syrian opposition has insisted he step down as a condition for negotiations.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-14/syria-chemical-arms-to-be-destroyed-in-u-s-russia-deal.html

 

0bama is a year late. If he were a leader, he would have done all of this a year ago. If Putin had not taken the initiative, 0bama would probably be going rogue again, and dropping bombs on Syria.

What was the US president supposed to do when Putin and Assad started this deal, say 'no' and drop bombs anyway?

 

Apparently 0bama drew another fuzzy red line, or at least i think he did, maybe the world drew it or our congress... hmmm

President Barack Obama, who twice delayed possible U.S. military intervention, “always retains the right” to use force, Kerry said.

 

IF......?

I guess not everyone will be happy.

another IF....

what IF syria and iran have nukes, already?

it was all based from kerry's comment in reply to a reporters question

Putin did start anything on the matter. He just put it on the table, since Obama's cabinet are a bunch of morons and should have made the offer, before anyone of the news even made it public.

 

Obama had no intentions of making any offer, but Putin slyly took steps to turn kerry's gaffe into one. I'm happy about it, but the current administration gets no credit along the "rational exercise of diplomacy to prevent war" front from me. Russia's running with Kerry's gaffe is one of the best political chess moves I've ever seen. I'm not a huge fan of the Putin's policies in general, but daaaaamn... he's freakin' brilliant.

 

You are confused. Obama just sent billions in weapons to the Rebels. and why we are looking at his right hand his left hand is continuing his expanded war in Afghanistan.

 

So, it is to be death by a hundred cuts then?

I am very pleased Putin was around and a 'no fly zone' carpet bombing of Damascus and ( the rest of Syria ) has been averted but what about our terrorists ? What about them?

 

Conservatives are bummed about this.

 

I think the libs are bummed. All those cool rockets and no one to vaporize. Bummer of a party (pun intended)

 

If you are serious, you don't think well.

 

You mean I don't think well of liberal warmongers right?

 

Of course Americans are represented, FOR A CHANGE!!!

Once again, though nothing can redeem them for acts of evil, I still give due credit to Obama and Kerry for pursuing this path (provided they don't betray us all and strike anyway).

In the USA and UK both I am for once PROUD of democracy in action. The will of the people was finally adhered to.

The developments over the last couple weeks regarding the warpath to Syria have been so positive and we should be happy and recognize this blessing, and hope to God that Obama doesn't destroy a good thing and do something stupid/treasonous like he tends to. I will give him the benefit of this decision so long as he stands by it (which he often doesn't).

And who knows.. If Assad tries to pull a fast one, many will be discouraged with him, even me. Obama would get MORE people on board with his plan.

That's the POINT! You try other options, leave war as a last resort, and if you do that, at least more people would support a war, in such event.

 

I'm currently in Moscow, having breakfast and watching local news, commenting on the latest greatest Obama international achievement; the praise for Obama ranges from a shrug to a raspberry. Putin is the one they really praise. Obama is an errand boy (in political sense).

 

Unless YOU believe Kerry's off handed comment about "control" over the chemical weapons was Obama Diplomacy in action - and I do NOT, the was the Obama Administration being tossed and tumbled with the currents

This was a Press mediated diplomacy similar to Sadat visit to Tel Aviv.
Too few here remember that one. When because of off handed comments made to the Press:
Sadat flew to Tel Aviv. On live TV Too. From take off to landing through ceremonies etc.

Obama was just caught in the current and found a convenient avenue out of an unsupported military assault.


Moi
And I voted for Obama in '08

 

Not Obama, Putin. Obama' being played like an errand boy he is (in political sense).

 

USA missile attack on Syria shot down by Russia
http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/20...y-russia-according-to-al-manar-tv-of-lebanon/

 

They are one step ahead already working on one to provide authorization to take out the mad mullahs.

 

When Putin shot Obama's balloon down over Syria no one should have been surprised. As America first learned at Benghazi, you can fake your way through college, fake your way through the Senate, even fake your way through the presidency, but you can't fake your way through a civil war in the Middle East.

Don't remember who wrote it first, but it's brilliant . What a puss..

 

No need for them to altercate over that Syrian domestic issue,
otherwise, they should be unified in resolving the conflict in the most legal international ways.

 

Lyndsey Graham is terrified of being primaried off the ballot next year, so he's saying inflammatory things all over the place, and trying to push his credentials as a foreign policy hawk. Traditionally, republicans turn up to the polls and back the establishment in times of military tension. That's why he said that if we didn't bomb Syria, the port of Charleston would get nuked by terrorists. He's pumping up the fear-mongering rhetoric directly related to his home state to raise his profile and get republican voters into a wartime mindset so they won't vote for a tea party/libertarian primary challenger. It's a good idea, since he's one of the least popular members of congress and would likely loose unless he does something.

 

A slightly more logic-free comment could get you a place in the Guinness book.