USS Liberty Remembered At Navy Memorial

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/06/09/uss-liberty-remembered-at-navy-memorial.html
R.I.P. to the brave Americans who were killed by Israel.

 

Killed by Israel and forsaken by the US authorities and public.

 

The following should be studied carefully by anyone who still foolishly believes that this was anything other than a deliberate and prolonged attack. 'Accidents' don't continue for hours on end MOD EDIT - Rule 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52U-uXmhJ_M

 

It most assuredly was a prolonged, deliberate attack unless you accept that Israeli pilots are the most incompetent on the planet.

 

Which is highly unlikely, therefore...

 

Yes, it is sad.

MOD EDIT - Reply to Deleted

 

Or you can read something impartial complete with the references to all official docs including the investigations from all parties which show it was an accident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Attack_on_the_Liberty

 

Excuse me if I prefer to believe the testimony of the men who were actually on board the Liberty than some cooked-up 'official' report designed to mollify public opinion and absolve the Israelis of all guilt.

 

Guys getting fired on sure know they were fired upon. Were they there in the IDF command center or in the Pentagon during the attack? If not then all they know is they were fired upon and that, as we all know, occurred.

 

USS Liberty - Israeli
Pilot Speaks Up
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"We had been surveilled all morning and part of the afternoon by Israeli forces. They knew who we were. We heard them reporting over radio who we were and how we were sailing and where we were sailing. They saw the flag and everything else. We were in international waters."
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1. Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty 2. USS LIBERTY in Ha'aretz 3. USS Liberty Israeli denial; Israeli Pilot Speaks Up
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(1) Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty
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From: RePorterNoteBook@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003
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http://ussliberty.org/
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Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty
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Senator Adlai Stevenson III in 1980, his last year as a United States Senator from Illinois, invited Jim Ennes to his Senate office for a private, two hour meeting to discuss the USS Liberty attack and coverup. Following the private meeting, Ennes was invited back the next day to discuss the attack with members of Stevenson's staff, along with members of the staff of Senator Barry Goldwater and members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
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In that meeting, staff members told Ennes that they found his story convincing, but that they would recommend to both senators that they not pursue an investigation because an investigation would only antagonize Israeli interests while "nothing good could come of it." Goldwater accepted that staff recommendation. Stevenson did not. Instead, Stevenson called a news conference in which he announced that he was convinced that the attack was deliberate and that the survivors deserved an investigation. He would, he said, spend the remaining few weeks of his Senate term attempting to arrange for an inquiry.
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Almost immediately, the government of Israel contacted the White House and offered to settle the outstanding $40million damage claims for $6million an amount equal to one dollar for each Jewish victim of the Holocaust. Vice President Walter Mondale quickly agreed to that offer just before Christmas while Congress and President Carter were on vacation. The Department of State followed immediately with a press release, reported on the front page of the New York Times, which announced, "The book is now closed on the USS Liberty."
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Indeed, from that point on, it was impossible to generate any congressional interest in the Liberty at all. Senator Stevenson's staff told me later that they felt the settlement was directly related to Senator Stevenson's announced plan to hold an inquiry, and was engineered to block forever any inquiry plans. Israel did subsequently pay $6million in three annual installments of $2million each. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said later that he considered the payments meaningless, as Congress merely increased the annual Israeli allotment by that amount.
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Adlai Stevenson later ran for Governor of Illinois. He was strongly opposed by Israeli and Jewish interests. He lost. Many feel it was his support for the Liberty that cost him the election. Many also feel it was Stevenson's experience with the Liberty that has intimidated other Members of Congress who might otherwise support the survivors.
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Cover Up Claimed In Attack ExAdmiral Questions Facts of Liberty Raid
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WASHINGTON (AP) Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer accused the U.S. and Israeli governments yesterday of covering up evidence surrounding the 1967 Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty.
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Thirtyfour American crewmen were killed and 171 wounded in the combined air and sea attack June 8, 1967, against the reconnaissance ship, cruising in international waters 15 miles off the Sinai Peninsula during the SixDay War.
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Israel maintains its fighter pilots, who buzzed the ship for eight hours before the attack, and torpedo boat crews, mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship.
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"The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water," said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. "In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.
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"The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion," he said.
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Yes, and they were being fired on through a protracted period, time after time from the air and gunboats. That was no accident and the US flag was clearly visible to all. Defend Israel all you want, quote 'official' reports as much as you like. The men on board know the truth.

 

"The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence."

 

"Mistake" my arse. There was no "failure to indentify". Let me guess, that was from an 'official' report, right?

 

And let me guess, you get your stuff from non official sites.

 

From the survivors who were attacked, yes. Your support for the 'official' line is no more a surprise than your lock-step, unconditional support for anything Israel does.

 

Ah yes, guys who were being attacked know more about why they were than those who investigated the entire incident. And you of course know more than everybody.

 

In June of 1967 the so-called Six Day War was in full swing. Israel was struggling. Israel attacked the Liberty with the intention of sinking her and eliminating any survivors. The intent was to blame Egypt which in turn would draw the US into conflict. When the IDF failed to sink the Liberty the Israelis claimed that it was a case of mistaken identity. A US Navy Board of Inquiry ruled in favor of Israel. President Johnson said nothing for fear of isolating the Israeli lobby in the US. It was a travesty.

While I support Israel and her right to exist in peace, the sinking of the USS Liberty deserved an investigation much more intense then a puppet naval board of inquiry.

 

Yes, you're quite correct, they do know more than the 'investigation'. The US flag was clearly visible to the first aircraft which slowly circled the Liberty several times at low altitude, as it was to the attacking jets and torpedo boats. You are either being deliberately disingenuous or startlingly naive if you believe anything else. I suspect the former, frankly.

 

The naval personnel who survived the attack gave statements indicating that the attack was unprovoked, that the Liberty was virtually unarmed and that the vessel was flying an oversized US flag. Please expalin how trained Israeli pilots could have mistaken the Liberty for anything other than a US naval vessel.

 

Does a flag fly flat or vertically? And when at a slow speed does it fly at all? And what dimensions is a flag at sea considered 'oversized?'

 

Horizontal to the surface.

Yes. It flutters.

According to US Navy flag regulations, a ship of Liberty's length (greater than 451 feet) hoists the following ensigns: Daily or Steaming Ensign size-7 (listed dimensions 5' x 9.5'), and Holiday Ensign size-5 (listed dimensions 9' x 17').

The NCOI record states the size ensign flown before the air attack began was size-9 (3.5' x 6.7'), and the size flown during the MTB attack was size-7 (5' x 9.5').

 

^^^ Grasping at straws....

 

^^ Dealing with purely emotional internet rantings rather than official testimony and findings while not even addressing the fact that there would be no rhyme or reason to carry out a deliberate attack.

 

Puely emotional rantings? I thought that we were having a rational discussion about an important historical event. Official findings are not always accurate.

 

How fast does a fighter jet fly and how slow would it have to fly sideways to be able to see and identify a flag that is horizontal to the surface that is less than two millimeters thick and would be like trying to read a page from the side?