Vaccines and reducing the world's population.

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Are many influential people willing to use vaccines to reduce the world's population?

  1. No

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  2. Yes

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  3. I hope not

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  4. I hope so

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  1. Scott

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    The sites where people look at the evidence objectively all say the vaccines cause injuries and death to a certain percentage of people. The sites that claim the vaccines are safe and effective ignore the evidence. If someone looks at the evidence objectively and uses the scientific method* in the analysis and says he's proven the vaccines are safe and effective, I'll want to see this person debate with some other experts who say the opposite after having objectively analysed the situation using the scientific method. The truth usually prevails if there's a debate on neutral ground where there are no restrictions on what a person can say. If the evidence is viewed objectively and analysed using the scientific method, it seems to show that the vaccines cause death and injuries. People with high credentials can be paid to lie so there's really no one who authoritatively says the vaccines are safe and effective and also ignores the evidence that I'll take seriously.

    I've heard a lot of stories about people who got sick for a few days and got better. The above studies deal with those too. I haven't had time to look at very many of those studies yet but if you do searches on words such as "clot" and "death", stuff comes up.
    https://react19.org/?s=clot
    https://react19.org/?s=death
    https://react19.org/?s=injury


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    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci...4xOZgBAKABAbABAMgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
     
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    Complete bullshit! The sites you frequent have ZERO objectivity, as do you. They lie, deceive, manipulate and suck in the gullible and uninformed, that would be people like you.

    How would you know! It has been proven that the sites that say otherwise are deceitful.

    And once again your spam tendency takes over with your dishonest use of the "scientific method"! Not once in any single thing have you EVER used any such method. I have asked you many, many times and not once have you provided an example.

    Absurd, the restriction must be "no lies allowed"!

    Show anywhere where you have used any such method. The science and reality show you are being deceptive.


    There it is, that is the million dollar statement - the fundamental clown-failure of every conspiracy theorist. No matter what, ignore every expert that contradicts you. Absolutely pathetic and straight to the heart of my question. There is NO SOURCE that you will not dismiss, you are stuck in the world of batshit, you are incapable of objectively examining anything. No possibility of offering rebuttal.

    Say for example, your batshit source takes data from VAERS and concludes that 100 people have died after "event x", they offer zero correlation or causation. Then somebody offers the very simple explanation that even without the "event x" that number is a statistically normal number. Like a clown the conspiracy theorist dismisses this!

    Listen to the clown-style "scientific method" - "stuff comes up". MEH!

    How exactly do I get you to answer this: Two statements from Martin - show where he uses the "scientific method", show his evidence for these and explain how you disprove this batshit.

    To summarize, I asked the question: EXACTLY what sources would you accept as accurate to debunk them!? How is it even possible without your totally dishonest instant dismissal because you label it "mainstream"?

    The answer in a nutshell, no sources! You are not here to debate, you are here to get people to join an idiotic revolution of ignorance.
     
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  3. Scott

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    This video is from the link in post #74. Listen to this doctor's experience with the vaccine that starts at the 2:00 time mark.

    Virtual Rounds Session 7: Microclots and anticoag with Dr Vaughn and Dr Bowers
    https://odysee.com/@React19:6/microclots-vaughn-bowers:9


    Look at some of the case histories in this link.
    https://react19.org/?s=clot

    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-stephanie-atkinson-jj-entry432/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    Healthy, no meds, active, and busy life with 2 sons and running my own company

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    A few weeks after J&J vaccine I started having fatigue, severe head pain, jaw pain, blurry vision, headaches all on the right side of my head and oy bad vision in my eight eye. I also had very foggy head and vertigo, dizziness, and was having a hard time working and doing anything that required me to think. In May of 2021 I had multiple nose bleeds where large blood clots came out and my regular doctor advised me to go straight to the ER. MRI and CT scans and check of heart showed everything was fine and doc said it was possibly complications from the vaccine. I had about 6 months of issues and then it slowly subsided. I still have issues with my eye sight in the right eye and periodic head pressure issues and have been suffering from depression and anxiety ever since. I have very bad stomach issues and had a colonoscopy with results of inflamed upper intestine. I don’t feel like I will ever feel like I did before the vaccine.
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    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-georgiana-sweetman-pfizer-entry395/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    I had several medical issues that medical folks are now blaming for my current state, but was able to function – get up, shower, dress, drive and move around with the assistance of a rollator.

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    Initial symptoms beginning the day after the booster (3rd) vaccine shot were similar to my previous COVID and influenza vaccine symptoms – flu-like body aches, head and neck aches, joint pain, overall feeling of weakness and fatigue. However, compared to a bad flu vaccine reaction in my history (four days) or the second COVID shot reaction (four days), the booster reaction was much more severe and long-lasting (four weeks). I was not able to eat or drink very much during that period. I finally began to feel better and was beginning to move around the house, but fainted and fell on February 19 leading to an ED visit to repair damage to my mouth and chin. I suffered a CVA on February 25, was admitted for five days and then released into home care. Since then I have been working to overcome spasms in my arms and legs that have led to more falls, brain fog, continued weakness and fatigue. Immediately post-CVA there was some improvement in the area of hallucinations and partial mobility to be able to get from the bed to the bathroom. However, the larger picture is that I am now mostly sleeping with a few hours each day of very limited activity such as eating and watching TV.
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    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-amy-etter-moderna-entry411/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    Pre-existing skin hypersensitivity to laundry soap was addressed by switching to ALL free & clear and the symptom of itchy skin was alleviated. Exactly 11 to 12 days after getting the Moderna booster, I had full-body hives that expanded my waist so much my pants did not fit. I was a grad student on level 2 fieldwork and was not able to sleep for weeks due to the itching and severity of the hives. It was devastating.

    I looked into any research available and found that a small percentage of people with pre-existing skin hypersensitivities reported severe rashes and hives lasting several weeks to months after getting the booster. I still have the rashes and hives, nearly one year later. I need to get boosted again in order to work as an occupational therapist and pay off student loans, however, I am depressed at the thought of getting boosted again and understanding the impact it will have on me physically and psychologically.

    I still have to take antihistamines daily, and cannot wear most of my clothes, my hair still gives my face hives every time a single hair touches my forehead/cheek area. I shower 3 times a day to help alleviate the itch. I cannot wear most of my clothes due to the way they make me itch. It has an impact on sleep quality, which leisure activities I can engage in, and takes away time spent with my family and dogs. I love being active and working out but sweat makes the hives worse as well. It feels like extreme contact dermatitis and literally has impacted every aspect of my life.

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    11-12 days post booster, full body hives with extreme hive response to touch, soaps, fabric, dust, sweat, and tight clothing. Symptoms are consistent with allergic contact dermatitis. Itch severity is 10/10, the type of itch that you might jerk your body to get rid of, but the rash and itch worsen if you itch it.

    Rashes appear large, very red, with hives. The areas of hive/rash disappear in one area and reappear somewhere else. I noticed some outbreaks of rash appear bilaterally more often than ipsilaterally. I still have the rash, however, it has decreased since it began. Now it is more manageable with antihistamines daily and showering after any activities that involve sweating or being around a lot of dust like cleaning. I have tried to go without antihistamines and found that I still cannot do so comfortably.
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    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-kevin-fischer-pfizer-entry413/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    I had just had a full physical and all was good. I have a thyroid condition but that was it. I was in good health, I was 5’11 at 242 pounds and full of muscle like a ball player or wrestler.

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    About an hour after the vaccination at the Wellspan clinic I was home and started to feel like my body was being crushed. I started to feel like an elephant was on my chest and I could not breathe. My wife called the doctor and she suggested to get me to the ER.
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    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-craig-damico-moderna-entry429/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    I am writing this for my father who died after getting the vaccine. My family all survived covid my mom almost died from it. 6 months later the rollout for the vaccines came out my dad got the first shot of moderna and died roughly 14 days after. My fathers name is Robert Damico I am his son Craig.

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    His symptoms were the day he got the shot he told me he didn’t feel well. My mom ha d a high fever. Second day he started getting confused my mom and I got worried but he seemed to feel better or so he said. Third day he didn’t know the day of the week it was or month. We called an ambulance they picked him up rush him to icu and within a day in the hospital slipped into a coma they said a vein or blood clot in his brain. They told us if he survived he would be brain dead then died of acute cerebral hemmhorage roughly 14 -15 days later
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    https://react19.org/vaccine-injury-of-carrie-e-pfizer-entry374/
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    What was your life like before you received the COVID-19 vaccine?
    Milo in my young son, was oral eating some foods, walking on his own for a short distance, very active.

    Describe your symptoms and the timeline of your reaction
    Was on life support for 6wks. He ended up getting a trach and vent 24/7. He had full body swelling, myocarditis, blood clots, left side weakness (GBS), increase heat rate, etc
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    You've seen the videos in posts #51 and #54.

    If a friend of yours asked for your advice on whether he should take the vaccine, would you recommend that he take it, or not take it?
     
  4. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    MEH! So the usual round of dump links has expanded to a mega spam of abstract comments from them without any qualification or numerical analysis.

    As has been exhaustively explained, there have been 12.7 BILLION vaccinations made worldwide and the conspiracy clown tactic is to list some supposed examples of adverse reactions. Notwithstanding that every single one of those conditions occurs routinely in small numbers with or without any injection, there is absolutely zero causation/correlation performed. This from people in the most incredibly litigious country in the world, of unknown prior leaning on vaccinations and amazingly all these cases are available and collated by an antivaxx site!

    See batshit, post batshit. No analyses performed, no checks on the credentials of the quack doctors!

    Texas Doctor Spreads False Claims About COVID-19 Vaccines - FactCheck.org

    Why?

    Hearsay about the doctor's statement and basically problems that occur in non-vaccinated people all the time through dehydration, migraines and the person did not die. No definitive causation/correlation performed, here comes a law-suit!


    Says it all!
    The very type of person who would be 10 times worse getting the virus. Didn't die.

    Absolute garbage correlation and causation. Didn't die.

    Ridiculous timeframe to attribute the vaccination as the cause! Didn't die.

    Really!?

    I'm guessing they didn't die based on their written account. People do have heart attacks for any number of reasons, as stated, zero causation/correlation.

    Was he checked for covid-19 before his vaccine? This is so damn vague with zero correlation.

    Sudden Death and Myocarditis: FAQs – Myocarditis Foundation

    LOOK AT THE DATES!

    References
    1. Siscovick DS, Podrid PJ, eds. Overview of sudden cardiac arrest and sudden cardiac death. Waltham, MA: Wolters Kluwer Health; 2012.
    2. Feldman AM, McNamara D. Myocarditis. The New England journal of medicine 2000;343:1388-98.
    3. Cooper LT, Jr. Myocarditis. The New England journal of medicine 2009;360:1526-38.
    4. Trichopoulos D, Katsouyanni K, Zavitsanos X, Tzonou A, Dalla-Vorgia P. Psychological stress and fatal heart attack: the Athens (1981) earthquake natural experiment. Lancet 1983;1:441-4.
    5. Kark JD, Goldman S, Epstein L. Iraqi missile attacks on Israel. The association of mortality with a life-threatening stressor. JAMA : the journal of the American Medical Association 1995;273:1208-10.
    6. Siscovick DS, Raghunathan TE, King I, et al. Dietary intake and cell membrane levels of long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and the risk of primary cardiac arrest. JAMA : the journal of the American Medical Association 1995;274:1363-7.
    7. Siscovick DS, Weiss NS, Fletcher RH, Lasky T. The incidence of primary cardiac arrest during vigorous exercise. The New England journal of medicine 1984;311:874-7.
    8. Friedlander Y, Siscovick DS, Weinmann S, et al. Family history as a risk factor for primary cardiac arrest. Circulation 1998;97:155-60.
    9. Siscovick DS, Weiss NS, Hallstrom AP, Inui TS, Peterson DR. Physical activity and primary cardiac arrest. JAMA : the journal of the American Medical Association 1982;248:3113-7.
    10. Albert CM, Mittleman MA, Chae CU, Lee IM, Hennekens CH, Manson JE. Triggering of sudden death from cardiac causes by vigorous exertion. The New England journal of medicine 2000;343:1355-61.
    11. Lemaitre RN, Siscovick DS, Raghunathan TE, Weinmann S, Arbogast P, Lin DY. Leisure-time physical activity and the risk of primary cardiac arrest. Archives of internal medicine 1999;159:686-90.
    12. Maron BJ, Carney KP, Lever HM, et al. Relationship of race to sudden cardiac death in competitive athletes with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Journal of the American College of Cardiology 2003;41:974-80.
    13. Corrado D, Basso C, Schiavon M, Thiene G. Screening for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in young athletes. The New England journal of medicine 1998;339:364-9.
    14. Weinmann S, Siscovick DS, Raghunathan TE, et al. Caffeine intake in relation to the risk of primary cardiac arrest. Epidemiology 1997;8:505-8.
    I'd recommend he totally ignore idiot conspiracy theorists. All my friends and colleagues have had the vaccine, some had minor flu symptoms, many had sore local muscle pain, none died or had adverse affects.
     
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  5. Scott

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    I suppose that means you'd recommend that he take the vaccine. You're still being a little unclear. Say it clearly. Would you recommend that he take it?
     
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    We've talked about this before. There were sudden deaths of athletes during games before the vaccine rollout. The point is that they increased dramatically after the vaccine rollout and it wasn't only athletes.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dly-blood-clots.606446/page-4#post-1073977471

    A Show Of Hands - Vaccine Deaths & Injuries
    https://odysee.com/@CosmicEvent:5/A-Show-Of-Hands-Vaccine-Deaths-Injuries:e

    POST-VACCINE SYNDROME PROTOCOL #FollowTheScience #PuttingPatientsFirst
    https://odysee.com/@WhatIsTruth_Was...OL---FollowTheScience--PuttingPatientsFirst:2

    Vaccine Injuries Are Skyrocketing
    https://odysee.com/@TheSearch4Truth:8/trim.6DA7A339-9C57-43A0-982F-D098397EB812:2

    Rest in Peace COVID Vaccine Victims!
    https://odysee.com/@HumanitysVault:a/Rest-in-Peace-COVID-Vaccine-Victims!:b
     
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  7. Betamax101

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    I'm being unclear? Are you really this clueless about my position!? I tell you that your claims are moronic and that nobody should listen to you and your lying sources and you think that's "unclear"? The pandemic ended to all intents and purposes with the rollout of the vaccine reaching a significant percent coverage. Idiots delayed that with their wilful ignorance, but the world got there in the end.
     
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    You post in a thread about killing off the population by giving examples of conditions that have been occurring in the general population since time began! None bar one of your examples died!

    Your stunning dishonesty here is really nauseating! I showed you through examination that your sources were NOT taking in the full totals for their comparison, I showed you that many were NOT dying and the vast majority had nothing to do with any vaccine. You cowardly ignored this and keep posting this total lie.

    Four moronic videos, with ZERO checking or analysis, ZERO commentary!

    See batshit, post batshit, never check a thing. Your behaviour is pathetic.
     
  9. Scott

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    You stop short of actually saying it. You seem to be afraid to actually say it. If you're that confident about your position, just say it.

    You've "shown" me a lot of things that obviously weren't true. Click in all of the hotlinks here.
    https://react19.org/?s=clot

    Do you think the vaccine didn't have anything to do with those injuries?


    Tell us why you consider this video to be moronic.

    A Show Of Hands - Vaccine Deaths & Injuries
    https://odysee.com/@CosmicEvent:5/A-Show-Of-Hands-Vaccine-Deaths-Injuries:e
     
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    Oh shut up! I am 100% pro-vaccine!

    How would you know!? You are the most ignorant of all conspiracy theorists, who makes no effort to educate themselves. Your yardstick is batshit

    I don't have the burden of proof! You need to explain what causation/correlation has been performed and then show that the numbers involved are anything more than miniscule against 12.7 billion worldwide vaccines administered.

    Right after you detail how it shows the scientific method and has your commentary on how you have performed even the slightest analysis. We both know that never happens, since all you do is see batshit, post batshit. A video with some "Karen" egging on a crowd of organized conspiracy protesters? Really?
     
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  11. Scott

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    Does info such as this move you at all?
    https://react19.org/symptoms-index/
    https://react19.org/stories/
    https://react19.org/nov2/

    Everest Romeny´s mom talks about his Covid19-Vaccine-Injury
    https://odysee.com/@React19Clips:b/everestromenysmomspeaksout_960:8?src=embed&t=268.347516


    Do you think there's a chance that those people who raised their hands really knew someone who'd been injured or died after having gotten the vaccine?
     
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    You need to explain what causation/correlation has been performed and then show that the numbers involved are anything more than miniscule against 12.7 billion worldwide vaccines administered.

    i doubt very much whether anything you post "moves you"! Human beings get sick for any number of reasons and when cobspirac6 clowns seek to make this infinitely worse by spreading antivaxx bullshit, it doesn't just "move me" it damn well annoys me and a considerable number of others. Decades of medical knowledge and evolution being undone by imbeciles who are have the only skillset of making lots of noise.

    Both symptoms are major problems linked to covid-19. The mom thinks it was linked to the vaccine, therefore batshit.


    Do you think there is a chance that this is total bullshit? Creating a gathering for antivaxxers and they all do that? What the hell would you expect!

    No, I think it is an example of mass hysteria induced by gullible belief and zero medical knowledge / zero investigation.

    Detail how it shows the scientific method and has your commentary on how you have performed even the slightest analysis. We both know that never happens, since all you do is see batshit, post batshit. A video with some "Karen" egging on a crowd of organized conspiracy protesters? Really?
     
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    Do all these doctors and scientists saying the vaccine harms and kills move you at all?

    Dr. Ryan Cole & Del Bigtree Investigate Covid Vaccines In Dr. Cole's Laboratory
    https://rumble.com/v25ln74-dr.-ryan...tigate-covid-vaccines-in-dr.-coles-labor.html

    Dr. Zelenko - We Are Living Through A Global Bio Weapon Attack, People Have The Cure To Fight It
    https://rumble.com/vogp3p-dr.-zelen...-global-bio-weapon-attack-people-have-th.html

    Paul Marik speaks about the silencing of doctors who want to speak out about the COVID vaccines
    https://rumble.com/v1lg05d-paul-mar...ng-doctors-who-want-to-speak-out-about-t.html

    Japanese Doctors have discovered what the "Anti-Covid Vaccine" does in the human body
    https://rumble.com/v22uk4g-japanese...at-the-anti-covid-vaccine-does-in-the-hu.html

    'Covid-19' "Vaccine Injured Nurse's Warning To The World" 'Dr. Ardis Show' W/ 'Danielle Baker' RN
    https://rumble.com/v28dyu8-covid-19...ning-to-the-world-dr.-ardis-show-w-danie.html

    'Covid 19' 'MRNA' Vaccine Shedding Is Really Happening! Dr. 'Christine Northrup' OBGYN,
    https://rumble.com/v281p0j-covid-19...eally-happening-dr.-christine-northrup-o.html

    Pro-Vaccine Doctor Discovers He's Been Duped By Pfizer
    https://rumble.com/vx5gby-pro-vaccine-advocate-discovers-hes-been-duped-by-pfizer.html

    Dr. Roger Hodkinson explains risks of COVID vaccines, side effects
    https://rumble.com/vishfj-dr.-roger-hodkinson-explains-risks-of-covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

    DR. CARRIE MADEJ - THE MOST DANGEROUS "VACCINE" EXPERIMENT IN THE WORLD 2020-2022- GENE ALTERING
    https://rumble.com/vqv91b-dr.-carri...-vaccine-experiment-in-the-world-2020-20.html

    A Revolutionary Interview With Australian Doctor William Bay
    https://rumble.com/v191nub-a-revolutionary-interview-with-australian-doctor-william-bay.html

    DOCTORS WORLDWIDE WARN AGAINST THE "COVID-19" "VACCINE"
    https://rumble.com/vt2h68-doctors-worldwide-warn-against-the-covid-19-vaccine.html

    Doctors Explain! "62% of Covid 19 vaccine recipients develop Deadly Blood Clots
    https://rumble.com/v1leoy1-doctors-...ine-recipients-develop-deadly-blood-clot.html

    Australian Senator Gerard Rennick: The Greens Laugh At Jab Injuries & Shut Down Jab Mandates Debate
    https://rumble.com/v1yk2jg-australi...he-greens-laugh-at-jab-injuries-and-shut.html

    Cardiac Issues Surge: Medical Board Tries To DESTROY Cardiologist For Exposing Covid 19 Vax Injuries
    https://rumble.com/v1t1fzi-cardiac-...tries-to-destroy-cardiologist-for-exposi.html

    Dr's Accross The World Have Had Enough With The COVID LIES!
    https://rumble.com/vrgck2-drs-accross-the-world-have-had-enough-with-the-covid-lies.html
     
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    The wall of batshit spam. See batshit, post batshit. Check nothing, not a damn thing.

    How many years of this total horseshit before you stop? Nobody is dying, death rate is normal, but the insanity from team batshit continues.

    Pick one thing from your linkspam, do a "scientific method" on it.
     
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    What an utterly pathetic joke. Not one single post you have ever made uses any scientific method. Not one. You make this ludicrous copy-pasta spam claim citing it, but never once use it. You know this, I know it and anyone with 5 seconds perusal of your batshit can see it.

    Here's another question for you to cowardly avoid, how is there a scientific method in posting a link with no commentary or analysis?
     
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    @Scott Do any of the deaths of these antivaxx clowns "move you"?

    Famous Anti-Vaxxers Who Have Died From COVID-19 (newsone.com)

    ‘This is not a hoax’: Family reveal tragic final words of anti-vaxxer, 28, who died of Covid | The Independent
    "The family of a 28-year-old anti-vaxxer who died from Covid have revealed how he regretted not getting vaccinated in his final days in an ICU unit, and admitted that it was “not a hoax”. Curt Carpenter, of Pell City, Alabama, allegedly told his family the disease was “not a hoax” after believing in the fringe conspiracy and falling-ill in March. His mother, Christy Carpenter, also believed the virus was not real. “It took watching my son die and me suffering the effects of Covid for us to realise we need the vaccine,” she told The Washington Post in a recent interview. “We did not get vaccinated when we had the opportunity and regret that so much now.”"

    Anti-Vax Radio Hosts Keep Dying From COVID | Vanity Fair
    "Conservative radio hosts all across America are losing their lives for the cause. In the past month alone, five talk radio personalities who were vocal COVID-19-deniers, anti-vaxxers, or anti-maskers have all died after contracting the virus. Most recently was WNDB’s Marc Bernier, a late Daytona, Florida, talk radio host who dubbed himself “Mr. Anti-Vax” in December while assuring his listeners “I’m not taking it.” True to his word, Bernier contracted COVID-19 roughly three weeks ago and his death was announced over the weekend by his radio station––which had awkwardly acknowledged his on-air “anti-vaccine” commentary just before his passing. (WNDB was contacted for clarification regarding its COVID-19 safety policies but the station did not respond.)

    Though it might be assumed some right-wing media figures are simply feeding into the anti-vax frenzy to gin up outrage and ratings, the spate of recent deaths makes clear that, for a number of them, opposition to safe, effective vaccines and other pandemic mitigation efforts isn’t just talk. Such radio rants against efforts to stop the pandemic come as Republican men, a large segment of the talk radio audience, have been shown to be particularly resistant to getting vaccinated.

    On August 4, Newsmax fill-in host and longtime conservative talker Dick Farrel died from a “severe damage” from COVID-19 after spending the last weeks of his life claiming that the vaccine is “Bogus Bull [****],” referring to the pandemic as a “SCAM DEMIC,” and suggesting that the delta variant is an elaborate ruse orchestrated by Anthony Fauci to keep Americans fearing for their lives. “Why take a vax promoted by people who lied [to you] all along about masks, where the virus came from and the death toll?” he wrote in a July 3 Facebook post. Upon contracting the virus, Farrel was suddenly not willing to die for his previously held convictions, as one of his close friends, Amy Leigh Hair, claimed that he encouraged her to get the shot shortly before his death, saying that COVID-19 “is no joke and then he said: ‘I wish I had gotten [vaccinated]!’”
     
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    First of all, you can be downright dogmatic sometimes. Here are some examples.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dly-blood-clots.606446/page-4#post-1073974825
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-vaccine.591094/page-3#post-1073947548
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...poison-graphene.590984/page-4#post-1072956945
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lysis-after-vax.588350/page-7#post-1072922173
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ure-such-events.569790/page-5#post-1072896149
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...accinated-people-sick.589061/#post-1072707696

    Please point out a case where I was dogmatic.

    This is too general. Link to something specific. Sometimes there is a doctor or a scientist putting forth facts or theories and there's really nothing I can add. I just want people to see what's being put forth.
     
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    Let's use the scientific method in our analysis.

    Do you think the vaccine would have saved them?

    Dr. Charles Hoffe: "The More Vaccinated You Get, The More Likely You Will Get COVID & Spread COVID!"
    https://rumble.com/v25v39c-dr.-char...ed-you-get-the-more-likely-you-will-get-.html


    Can we be sure about what would have happened if they'd been vaccinated?
     
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    Wow, listen to this comedian. He makes all this noise about how he uses some scientific method when he has never used it in his life. Not one single post even has scant analysis almost invariably comprised of linkbarf with suitably useless batshit. Then by way of evading using even a scant method he puts up links where I expose his completely useless posts and labels them "dogmatic". This from a person of such colossal fixed belief he refuses to acknowledge the testimony of a single contradictory expert! So, on the one hand he refuses to even acknowledge rebuttal then like a jerk labels responses dogmatic! MEH!

    None of those are dogmatic, your failure to read rebuttal like an honest person is the chief problem. You are locked into batshit and no source will suffice to debunk it. You have admitted to this directly. If you fail to read the supporting rebuttal and then label subsequent posts as dogmatic, that kind of makes you with your head up your backside.

    Diversion, please post a single thing where you have personally used any scientific method! You won't, because you never have.

    BULLSHIT! You put up a page of links with nothing more than the damn title. "Sometimes" there's an idiot doctor, not properly qualified, making money in alternative ways, but more often than not it's some ludicrous crap like an organized crowd being whipped up, or some insane 2hr radio interview.
     
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    Where is it?

    They think so!

    Clown doctor! Not even the slightest hint of any scientific method!

    Fact Check-There is no evidence that mRNA vaccines are linked to blood clots | Reuters

    B.C. doctors warned they could face discipline for spreading COVID-19 misinformation | CBC News

    Well, the science says that vaccinations slow down transmission and better protect the host. I could post hundreds of links, hundreds of papers, but none of them are valid to the clueless conspiracy theorist who dismisses anything that disproves his batshit!
     
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    Are you kidding? Anyone who checks out those links can see that you were being blatantly dogmatic. What's the point of insisting that you weren't when everybody can read what you said?
     
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    No.

    You are not the spokesperson for "anyone". It is painfully simple to realize that countless rebuttal links have been put forward to supplement the posts you linked to!

    You aren't the spokesperson for "everybody" and it seems straightforward English language confuses you. Making a statement standalone may appear dogmatic when a deceptive and dishonest conspiracy theorist references it. But what they have failed to do is mention the countless links and citations made supporting said statements. References that the dishonest conspiracy theorist ignores.

    Speaking of anyone and everybody, they are all waiting for you to show a single post where you have used the "scientific method". Plucking batshit from the internet and posting it without checking any of it or offering any supplementary commentary is See Batshit Post Batshit.

    Here's more for you to ignore:
    • What does good science say about statistics?
    • Statistically what is the likelihood of the entire field of virology employed in creating vaccines to be oblivious to the "deaths" it is "causing"?
    • Statistically what is the likelihood of so many people lying, paid off or too stupid to see the batshit you get sucked in by?
    • Statistically what is the likelihood that the smartest people on the planet cannot see all these moronic conspiracies?
    • Statistically what is the likelihood that so many could keep this whole thing a secret?
    • What are the chances that one of the most ignorant, persistent, stubborn forum spammers on the internet has blundered upon the "truth" with all his "scientific investigative" work, looking for batshit links and everyone who actually understands the science, reads the narrative put out by all main sources, corroborated, backed up with data are all mistaken.
    Let me know any time when you have the moral integrity to answer any of that!
     
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    ...and anyone who takes the time to read them will see that you hadn't actually debunked anything. You just had the attitude that you had.


    Statistics should reflect what's actually happening.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dly-blood-clots.606446/page-4#post-1073977476
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lds-population.587240/page-13#post-1073988684

    They're not oblivious. If they speak out, they'll lose their careers, or worse.

    Medical Censorship | California Approves Bill to Punish Doctors Who Spread 'Misinformation' About COVID
    https://rumble.com/v1nj9vq-medical-censorship-california-approves-bill.html
    https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Medical Censorship

    Evidently it's high.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lds-population.587240/page-11#post-1073977292

    It's low but most of them don't speak out as they'll lose their careers. A lot of them have spoken out.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rlds-population.602347/page-4#post-1074015039

    They haven't kept it a secret. The truth is out.

    I didn't blunder upon it. I've just learned which sites haven't fallen under the control of the dark side and don't practice censorship.
    https://rumble.com/
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/
     

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