Virginia governor to announce removal of Lee statue

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Honoring traitors and terrorists is for fools, and unfortunately the building of those statues and the glorification of the men who fought to preserve slavery is part of our shameful past.

    The debate Virginians have been having over the statues has been going on for a long time, and I think what most people have come to realize is that we can't strike a balance between remembering a past that can never repeated again and respecting people's sensitivities, most specifically black people's sensitivities. It's an ugly, offensive and painful history and feelings are still raw over it. I understand why people don't want and/or need that in their faces and I understand that we may never be able to move on and put the past behind us as long as those statues remain up. That's why I've always felt that it should be up to the people in our communities to weigh these matters on our own and decide for ourselves how to deal with it. That decision should not be imposed on us by the politicians in Richmond.

    For the record, other than Arthur Ashe I have no sympathy for the men who are edified on Monument Avenue and the abominable cause Davis, Lee, Jackson, Stuart and Maury were willing to defend. The mistake they made brought nothing but death and ruin to our fair Commonwealth and to this day some cities like Petersburg still haven't recovered from that war and probably never will.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just like burning books does nothing to literature.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    White guilt.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    If had a dollar for every Leftist who claimed they're an "independent"...
     
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    Just like relocating a book or choosing not to display it in your book store does nothing to literature.
     
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    NORTHAM'S DISMAL TIMING; APPEASING THE MOB

    Regardless of how you may feel about the removal of Confederate statues, now is not the time to do so in that it only rewards the looting mobs by communicating that violence is the way to get what you want.
     
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    Well, the southern states had no significant manufacturing base, as the North did; so the South may have compromised itself, in order to receive some European power's help.

    But it is merely speculative.
     
  8. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here's an interesting take on it... from somebody who does have a dog in this fight

    SNIP
    Robert E. Lee's Descendant Urges Everyone to Permanently Cancel Robert E. Lee

    When Virginia Governor Ralph Northam announced the pending removal of Richmond’s famous Robert E. Lee statue last Thursday, he was joined by African American clergy, activists, politicians, and a white man with a famous name: Robert W. Lee IV.

    A pastor himself, Lee IV was on hand to support the removal of the statue of his great-great-great-great-uncle, and he explained why in an op-ed for the Washington Post. After explaining the pervasiveness of the insistence that the Civil War was fought for states’ rights, he explained its perversity.

    “The catch is that there’s more to that sentence, something we southerners are never taught: The Civil War was fought for states’ rights to enslave African people in the United States of America.”
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/robert-e-lees-descendant-urges-162640688.html

    Suck on that, history deniers...
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    "Suck on that, history deniers..."

    With a profound & mature invitation such as this, it would be rude to refuse.

    :)

    So the new standard for removing/dismantling/destroying art & other expression is...

    ...the feelings of the descendants of the model or subject of that art?

    So if, for instance, a descendant of the model for the Mona Lisa were to say "It offends me," the Mona Lisa must be removed from public view?

    Or if the descendants resulting from Washington and Jefferson's rape of slaves were to object to the name of our country's capitol, the Monument and Memorial, these too must be renamed, removed, dismantled, destroyed?

    If a descendant of MLK objects to his memorial, that too must be destroyed?

    Perhaps set on fire and thrown in a lake along with other *offending* icons?

    All this erasure, dismantling, silencing & destroying sounds like a plan to me!

    Vote Democrat 2020
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the odyssey continues...

    Looks like Gov. Coonman jumped the gun...again...

    Another thing that may further complicate this case is that when the deed was written it was on land within Henrico County, which was later annexed by the City of Richmond.

    Personally, I think the statue is still going to get removed at some point, but it will have to be removed in a manner that ensures that it is not damaged. That means the Commonwealth will have to ensure that the "progressive" Taliban are kept at a distance while the statue is removed and relocated to parts unknown. I'm guessing the most likely site would be Lee's birthplace at Stratford Hall in Westmoreland County. There are also numerous battlefields across Virginia where it could go, and the site of what many consider Lee's greatest victory, Chancellorsville, seems to be a fitting place. Perhaps, the Stonewall Jackson statue on Monument Avenue could get moved there, too...
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Great call.... Chancellorsville was where Jackson made his famous flank march and hit the Union from the West....

    Have you ever driven that route?? It's long BY CAR.... Couldn't imagine doing that in the Virginia May heat in a wool uniform.

    Best offensive tactic in the Civil war, bar none...

    I just read that thing about the deed and came on here to post it, but you beat me to it... an interesting twist, no doubt... But I don't really want Bobby and Thomas to end up like poor Chris Columbus either..
     

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