Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates

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  1. dairyair

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    Just because you knew they were available doesn't mean the public knew they were available.
    It wasn't readily available as healthcare companies weren't even purchasing them. Because they hadn't hit the market that sell them.

    One can't sell a product if they aren't in the market place. At least in great quantities. One has to get into the distribution supply chain.

    Or find another way to market them in mass.
     
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    Laughable…..I gave you 171 medical institutes. It’s not my responsibility to supply their studies. I believe them. If you can’t go to their web site and ask, you have the problem. . It’s your’s I don’t need more them. I gave the 141 I previously listed from the footnotes.

    Now you are calling Harvard Med liars.
     
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    Obviously they did not. Why is that. You say people want them, and they’re cheap and easy to use( not)
     
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    Why do you think the public didn’t know? I’ve posted an article from the New York Times from early February 2021 detailing how masks were available and producers were in financial trouble.

    Now, was the supply chain the problem? Was I the only person who knew how to get N95 masks? No. Retailers were intentionally withholding the supply from the public based on CDC recommendations to do so!

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...-restricting-sales-of-medical-face-masks.html

    Do you think the CDC, Amazon, Google, etc. are all bumbling fools? Do you think this was just an oversight on the part of public health epidemiologists and what is now the worlds largest retailer outside of China? Do you think after all the whining about depleted national stockpiles of masks the CDC just forgot to let Amazon know there wasn’t a shortage? Do you think Amazon believed there was an actual shortage?

    I’m genuinely curious as to why everyone seems ok with this fuster cluck.
     
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    Hmmmm. Still no actual evidence that I’ve asked for. Interesting. You would think there would be all kinds of studies supporting your opinions the way you act. Too bad you can’t post any. LOL

    Yes, I’ll call any institution still claiming N95 masks are in short supply liars because they are. Unequivocally so.
     
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    The sad retort of a losing argument…..everyone is a liar except the deniers. Obviously there is never a response to….if n95 are cheap and available, where are they ? No response…….the evidence is at every business, hospital and research facilities. None mandate and supply n95;for the public at large. The medical community is not all liars. Deniers, Foiled again.
     
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    What exactly are you arguing? That n95's really are not readily available or that they are not better for cv-19 protection? Or are you arguing for the sake of argument itself? If it's the latter, you are very bad at it. If it's the former...
     
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    I’m not arguing anything. That’s what the fear mongers are doing. I’m just supporting the consensus of the medical community. It’s laughable. I’m hearing so many many deniers argue against vaccines and want to promote masks they’ll never wear.

    You want to get into the reasons why ? Ask the medical community. EVERYTIME I do and post it, deniers claim they are lying. Amazing…..everyone lies in medical science in their mind. If n95 prove to be as effective AND available AND necessary, they will inform us and recommend the means to make them available..

    now, all mask requirements are made IN ADDITION TO being vaccinated.
    No. You’re bad at reading my posts.
     
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    Ah, you're one of those who needs a Government Weatherman to tell you which way the wind blows. That explains so much about your posts. :roll:
     
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    Pitiful…” you’re one of those people”:comments. That explains most of YOUR posts. Seriously, you don’t trust govt world wide climate broadcasts ? Guess you never plan on flying commercial airlines. EVERY major Corp does.

    medical science is not gov controlled. They are private non profit entities. The rock deniers live under is confining…..isn’t it.
     
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    What are you doing here exactly. You went on and on how everything the CDC says is correct, then challenged those disagreeing by asking them to show you where the CDC even said one untruth. They gave you mulitple examples, with peer reviewed studies backing them up along with common sense posts and you start ranting about Trump blah blah political BS. It seems your arguing to argue instead of convincing anyone on how pure and honest the CDC is.
     
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    Your comments indicate you have no clue what medical science is…really. With a basic lack of understanding of science, it’s impossible to follow or make any argument.

    MEDICAL SCIENCE IS NOT WRONG AND NEITHER IS IT ABSOLUTE.

    Medical research gathers evidence, which includes the consensus of MANY institutions involving thousands of medical research experts and studies…..not one pitiful net opinion.

    The recommendations are under study and can be altered with newer evidence available from the hundreds of studies constantly going on.

    ……every major corporation does this.. Fix news is not science. You are non science and every denier who wants a fix and the RIGHT absolute unchanging answer is non science.

    the cdc works daily to support more understanding of the situations we confront. It’s historically unbelievable that you take one study and try to twist it around your opinions. That’s delusional.
     
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    What's hilarious is you opinion in your head means something is a fact. This virus has shown us that the science change quickly and things we think is true today isn't true tomorrow because of the shear number of cases, vaccinations, variants, peaks and valleys of infection. Medical Science changes jesus quit being so damn obtuse, nobody cares about your feelings nor your opinion. Most on this board do want to see the latest studies, numbers and arguments for and against. Not some political hack stating this study is wrong, this one is right because I want to push an agenda. You keep bringing up Fox and Trump, which only tells most that your posts tend to fit the political hack definition.
     
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    I provided them, several times. But 141 I guess was way too much for you to read, digest and wrap your mind around. Your opinions are like the fleas on a dogs a$$, they lack substance and backing. The real backing comes from JHU and the like, 171 of them Oh, they’re liars too….sure. Like your hospital and primary care.
     
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    Obviously. The deniers are just afraid of it. I provided entire institutions which give you access to every one. Are you afraid or lazy ? A fearful bunch which can’t handle the real world.
     
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    You actually read my post and still think I make my own opinion when all I’m doing is supporting medical science. That’s a totally bogus misreading.
     
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    I think don't feed the trolls is the most appropriate response.
     
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    The trolls are ones who think everyone else is lying because Tucker, Trump and anti science pundits say so.
     
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    The effectiveness claims of mask wearing to prevent the spread and death from Covid exposure are purely anecdotal (not scientific) since there has never been a study made to study the effectiveness of mask wearing.
     
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    And yet YOU are the only one mentioning Tucker and trump. Damnit, stop feeding...
     
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    deniers are too embarrassed to.
    Trump is the guy who set off this anti medical science movement during covid. He did everything he could to rile up the deniers into thinking only he could save you from covid…..by waiting till spring and drinking industrial cleaner. The deniers are the result. Tucker is watering weeds.
     
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    Why don’t you go to a Mayo Clinic or JHU website and ASK them for evidence that leads them to this conclusion. You could ask your local hospital or primary care. Obviously you’re not getting it. But click your heal together three times….if don’t care….
     
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    You’re delusional. We could throw these studies at you al, day long and you wouldn't even read them. Your tripe is absurd .
    I foot noted 141 to make a point, and the response was, to pretend, gee, that’s too boring.m

    https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

    the study also showed.
    “also showed that relatively low-cost, targeted interventions to promote mask-wearing can significantly increase the use of face coverings in rural, low-income countries”

    AND NO, SURGICAL MASKS ARE NOT N95. They are not respirators and serve the same purpose as multi layer cloth masks.
     
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    You just did…..
     
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