Vote: Gingrich or Romney

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Smartmouthwoman, Jan 22, 2012.

?

Between these 2, who would you prefer as POTUS?

  1. Mitt Romney

    35.2%
  2. Newt Gingrich

    64.8%
  1. montra

    montra New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,953
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I think everyone feels that way. However the nay sayers come out and say how far behind Newt is with Obama currently. Well guess what, he was behind in the current race as well BEFORE THE DEBATES.

    Of course, I'm not endorsing the man in any way but it is the truth. nonetheless.
     
  2. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
  3. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    55,913
    Likes Received:
    24,873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    There's nothing wrong with changing one's stance as different information comes down the pike.

    Ron Paul's not the ONLY member of Congress who's dedicated to upholding the Constitution, in fact, they all take the same oath. He just does it louder than anybody else. Still doesn't mean he's ever sponsored any meaningful legislation. Although he's had decades to do it.

    Face it... Paul's a lone wolf, not a leader. We don't need another lone wolf.
     
  4. Dan40

    Dan40 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Messages:
    11,560
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    0
    FY 1999 increase in national debt $127 billion, after interest

    FY 2011 just the deficit, $1,298.7 TRILLION, Interest to be added.

    Take your choice.

    Here's a comparison for you to consider.
    The last Bush/Republican Congress DEFICIT, $161 billion. [FY 2007] Increase in national debt for FY 2007 $556 billion.

    The Clinton/Gingrich debt increase increase for FY 1999 $127 billion.

    The obama/Democrat Congress DEFICIT for FY 2011 $1,298.7 TRILLION. The national debt increase will exceed $1.6 TRILLION and could hit $1.8 TRILLION. obama is likely to post a national debt increase of over $2 TRILLION if he is allowed to continue his insanity.

    Why even entertain a complaint/disclaimer about what Clinton/Gingrich actually achieved. You have to go back to Eisenhower to find results as good.

    Evidently when Slick Willy was getting BJ's under the desk, and starching Monica's dresses, he kept the cash register locked.
     
  5. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    52,001
    Likes Received:
    23,199
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you! I've been trying to make this point for years!
     
  6. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Paul IS the lone wolf that votes according to what the constitution specifically says, not what he thinks he can get away with. Those that are changing their stance are the problem cause they aren't voting for what the constitution says.
     
  7. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    55,913
    Likes Received:
    24,873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Interesting... this poll pretty much matches up with what I'm hearing from my conservative friends. The momentum definitely seems to be moving toward Newt but it's becoming obvious we're in for a two-man race.

    Unless Florida turns it all around again!! :omg:
     
  8. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I said they were getting close, but it never happened. And it actually turned back the last year.
     
  9. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, two man for the GOP nomination between Mittens and Paul. They are the only two that can mathematically receive enough delegates to get the nomination.
     
  10. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    NEWT GINGRICH'S VOTING RECORD
    04/02/1987 - He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
    10/22/1991 - He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
    03/—/1993 - He Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
    11/19/1993 - He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
    11/27/1994 - He supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
    08/27/1995 - He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
    04/25/1996 - Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
    04/10/1995 - He supported Federal tax dollars being spent on abortions.
    06/01/1996 - He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat constitutionalist Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
    09/25/1996 - Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
    01/22/1997 - Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
    11/29/2006 - He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a "serious debate about the 1st Amendment."
    11/29/2006 - He called for a "Geneva Convention for terrorists" so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
    02/15/2007 - He supported Bush's proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
    09/28/2008 - Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
    10/01/2008 - Says in an article that TARP was a "workout, not a bailout."
    12/08/2008 - He was paid $1.6m by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
    03/31/2009 - Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
    07/30/2010 - Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the "Axis of Evil".
    08/03/2010 - Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
    08/16/2010 - Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
    11/15/2010 - He defended Romneycare
    12/05/2010 - He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
    01/30/2011 - He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
    01/30/2011 - He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
    02/13/2011 - He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
    02/15/2011 - His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating "a new endowment for conservation and the environment."
    03/09/2011 - He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
    03/15/2011 - Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
    03/19/2011 - He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
    03/23/2011 - He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
    03/25/2011 - He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
    04/25/2011 - He's a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
    05/12/2011 - He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
    06/09/2011 - His own campaign staff resigned en mass.
    07/15/2011 - His poorly managed campaign is over $1 Million in debt.
    08/01/2011 - He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
    10/07/2011 - He said he'd ignore the Supreme Court if need be.

    - Gingrich voted for an increase in the debt ceiling in 1979, 1980, 1981, and 1984
    - Gingrich voted to permit the Federal Reserve to purchase Treasury Debt
    - Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
    - Gingrich voted to strengthen the federal home loan agencies
    - Gingrich voted for increased powers to the FDIC to bail out struggling savings and loans through reorganization, purchase of bad assets, or recapitalization.
    - Gingrich voted in favor of the Chrysler Bailout in 1979
    - Gingrich voted for an oil windfall profits tax in 1979, which was signed by Jimmy Carter.
    - Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more power.
    - Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
    - Gingrich voted against a provision requiring congressional approval prior to deployment of U.S. troops into Central America in 1983.
    - Gingrich voted to increase CIA secrecy and against any requirement that the President report covert activity to congress before it is initiated.
    - Gingrich voted for Jimmy Carter’s “Energy Mobilization Board.”
    - Gingrich voted for an increase in taxes on coal producers in 1981
    - Gingrich voted for a 5-cent increase in the gas tax to fund highway and other mass-transit projects.
    - Gingrich was one of the few who voted against the 1984 bill requiring the President and Congress to submit a balanced budget
    - Gingrich voted for a congressional pay raise
    - Gingrich voted against a bipartisan 1% cut to the Department of Defense budget for 1983
    - He was a draft-dodger during the Vietnam War, yet pushed aggressive foreign interventionism his entire political career, and did say that Vietnam was the "right battlefield at the right time.
     
  11. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Newt is the only one that was involved in balancing the budget so yes Newt can do things and has a history of it
     
  12. Dan40

    Dan40 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Messages:
    11,560
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    0

    Are you totally unaware that as Speaker of the House, Gingrich forced Clinton to agree to a balanced budget. And that it actually happened. They balanced the budget and had a budget surplus. Total surplus from that in the ensuring years amounted to $559 billion dollars that was never added to the national debt and thus interest on $559 billion that we will never have to pay. Are you totally unaware that that is actual history?

    Are you also aware that Paul has never got a bill about his major issues passed into law? NEVER in over 700 bills sponsored, not one law on any major issue?

    You say your vote goes for Paul, OK, you vote for Paul in your primary. He does not win the Republican Nomination for the general election and retires. Which is what I think will happen. What do you do with your vote in the General Election? Pass? Or vote for obama? SAME THING!
     
  13. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Paul can not win. He is a nut case
     
  14. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again, there was no balanced budget. It was close, but so was the last year of Bush.
     
  15. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Riveting argument. Nut case must be slang for constitutionalist, cause that is the only thing that persuades his votes in congress.
     
  16. montra

    montra New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,953
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Thanks for the list. He must be stopped!! :omg:
     
  17. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you are happy with just cutting a trillion from future spending instead of actually getting budget cuts? Is that how you "CONservatives" work? There was no surplus, there was no balanced budget, it never happened. If you aren't paying off any of the debt, then you don't have a surplus.

    Same old rhetoric that the nun couldn't get the prostitutes to stop whoring themselves out, so the nun must be the person that is wrong. Please get off the nonsense of "Ron couldn't persuade the corrupt congress to stop being corrupt, so he is a failure" meme. It is really sad that you argue for corruption over principles.

    What is the difference between Obama, Romney, or Newt? All big government guys. All against the constitution. Why do you want other to give up their principles to follow your messed up philosophy of voting for a lesser evil?
     
  18. Dan40

    Dan40 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Messages:
    11,560
    Likes Received:
    274
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Check what you are claiming. There WAS a BALANCED BUDGET. And there was a BUDGET SURPLUS under Gingrich's Speaker-ship. What there WASN'T was a reduction in the national debt.

    To give you an idea, the last year of a Bush/Republican Congress had a BUDGET DEFICIT of $161 billion. But the national debt increased by $556 billion when interest was added to the DEFICIT.

    In FY 1999 the BALANCED BUDGET gave us a BUDGET SURPLUS of $125.6 billion.
    SUBTRACTING that surplus from the interest on the existing national debt caused the national debt to increase by only $127 billion. Without the surplus the national debt would have gone up by $252.6 billion that year. Just as Bush $161 billion DEFICIT was small but interest caused a $556 billion national debt increase.

    And there were serious cuts in welfare that have since been reversed.
     
  19. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Don't forget Newt also got Clinton to sign a welfare reform bill
     
  20. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    According to the dems there was. If you include how Clinton used SS it was. It was balanced on paper not in reality
     
  21. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More like another old senile old man that does not know when to retire like Byrd
     
  22. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    55,913
    Likes Received:
    24,873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Could we have a link for these 'facts?'
     
  23. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then there wasn't a surplus, or BALANCED budget. IF there was, SOME of the debt would have been paid off. Where did that money go if there was a surplus?
    So who is twisting the words? They know how much interest they were going to need to pay, it is set out. You can't just ignore how much interest needs to be paid in a budget. I know how much of my mortgage is interest this year, and it is part of my budget.

    Thank you for admitting there was no surplus, it was used on an already allotted expenditure called INTEREST.

    Yay, but it didn't fix the total problem.
     
  24. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right, so senile, he is the only one that remembers what the constitution actually says.
     
  25. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,237
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You want me to bring up the congressional voting record of each date and each passage that I listed? If you don't believe me, you have the dates and where they came from. I get what you are saying, but do really think I am twisting something here?
     

Share This Page