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  1. Bluesguy

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    Oh yes they were and for WEEKS. Geez the number of threads and injection of it and argument by the left saying that is why he should not be elected was astonishing. Had the Democrats not successfully use those issue to deflct from Obama's horrible record with the "You can't vote for a man who would do that so ignore the real issues and vote for us cause we are better people than him" that could have tipped the scales.

    So back to the issue and your unanswered question

    How it is asserted they can provide ID to register but not one to vote and that to require one for the former does not discriminated but does so for the latter? Please explain the conflict in your position.
     
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    In the early summer of 08, you probably didn't think B. Hussein Obama would be nominated either. You probably thought Hillary would.
     
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    The vote is in.

    Dishonest wins by a landslide. It's name is something, but there's an erasure on it's posted forged birth certificates.
     
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    But then again, no American can identify a single thing KIng Obama, Racist, Fascist, and Muslim Traitor, that would qualify as a "success" if the definition of "success" was "an action beneficial to the advancment of the cause of freedom or strengthening the United States of America".

    In fact, the complete lack of success from King Obama, Racist, Fascist, and Muslim Traitor, is so profound it cannot possibly be accidental and must be deliberate.
     
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    The following factors contributed to King Obama's "victory" in 2012:

    A no-holds-barred direct frontal assualt by the pro-fascist medea.
    This assualt included, as you pointed out, endless repetitions of the completely pointless Dog On The Roof story, but it also includes backing up lying advertising blaming Romney for killing some goonion worker's wife and other heinous acts by the medea.

    The medea gleefully took Romney's tax records that Obama agents in the IRS illegally leaked. And there was no scandal there, judging from the Cone of Silence the medea has had on THOSE stories, then and since.

    The Obama agents in the IRS also were directed, by the White House, to stonewall ALL applications by American groups seeking to exercise their First Amendment free-speech rights against King Obama.

    Again, the Cone of Silence over the medea. (You are familiar with Get Smart, aren't you?)

    The orchestrated efforts by the fascists to label efforts to make elections more honest as "racism", something ONLY stupid people could believe, but ONLY stupid people voted for Obama anyway.

    Speaking of Voter Fraud, it's statistically impossible, in an honest election, for 150 precints in the Philadelphia area to show ZERO votes for Romeny. It just cannot happen. But, of course, Philadelphia is where Attorney General Dick Holder released the corrupt thugs who had been CONVICTED of voter intimidation in 2009. Naturally, one of those had been an elected DemocRAT.

    The race baiting by King Obama and his posse. If you're unfamiliar with the history, do a search for "Horst Wessel" and the "Horst Wessel Song" in 1930's Germany. See the direct and perfectly clear parallels with the beatification of Saint Trayvon and the vile smear against the white-hispanic.

    And, of couse, the complete refusal by the pro-fascist medea to cover any negative story about King Obama, Racist, Fascist, and Muslim Traitor.

    Benghazi? What's Benghazi? The medea when to extraordinary lengths to pretend that a murdered US ambassador is nothing important, and all the stupids of today still repeat that message.

    The Americans don't have anything on their side like the army of Stupids the DemocRATs have. The Americans only attract thinking adults, and those are getting harder to find every year.

    The Stupids don't have the faintest idea what's in store for them in the very near future. For some reason, those idiots believe the money will never run out.
     
  6. dujac

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    you're wrong, he was the best candidate

    nope, i didn't want her to be nominated


    you don't what you're talking about, to start with, he beat the gop's best in 2008 and 2012

    he did something no other president has been successful at, he got a healthcare bill passed


    here's a link to a list with other successes:

    Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all
     
  7. Mayor Snorkum

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    And that's such a sad thing to be sayinjg. Because you're right. Barrack Obama Soetero, a foreign national illegal alien born-again racist and muslim traitor, facist, is indeed the best peice of (*)(*)(*)(*) your party can come up with. What's next on your list of gods to worship?

    Hillary Clinton, a useless harridan that's scored even fewer accomplishments in life than King Obama.

    You people select people who are barnacles, clinging to others for their advancement. Hillary was Bill Clinton's pubic louse, pretending to be the "wronged female" and Obama has clung to all the racists in the DemocRAT party, pretending that all opposition to his treasonous fascism is racism.

    Wrong.

    He beat the GOP's nominees.

    There's certainly a difference.

    Sarah Palin was far better qualified than traitor McStain, and Herman Cain suffered an attack of fictitious bimbos by the DemocRATs to torpedo his campaign.

    In case you missed the memo, which you surely did, OBAMACare violates Article !, Section 7. It violates the First and Ninth Amendment, it violates the Tenth Amendment. It violates the Commerce Clause. King Obama itself has violated the Constituiton on at least 18 separate occasions because the law that wasl illegally passed (it requiring the votes of 60 Senators be passed out of the Senate, and getting only 59) is also completely incoherent.

    That's quite an accomplishment, passing something as bad as that. It's been like watching a mouse pass a bowling ball. Really painful to look at.

    Let's take a gander at what the fascists view as King Obama's "accomlishments".

    1) Passed Messiah Care. As was just noted, since it's unconstituitonal, it's not an accomplishment.

    2) Passed the Stimulus...that hasn't stimulated anything except failure. Or haven't you noticed?

    3) Passed Wall Street Reform.....Dodd-Frank in it's way is as much of a disaster as MessiahCare.

    4) Ended the War in Iraq. Which is weird, since Bush passed on to King Obama an already secured victory and all King Obama had to do was continue to secure the peace, which he deliberately destroyed. How's Iraq doing these days? That's right, King Obama's buddies in al qeada are running most of it.

    5) Began Drawdown of forces in Trashcanistan? What (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fascist wrote that? King Obama BOOSTED forces there, and has kept them there so they can be shot, while he apologizes to the terrorists he's supporting.

    6) Eliminated Obama sin Laden. After refusing to do so several times, the Commander in Chief had to be ordered by the Secretary of Defense to take action. Also, any American president would have the same thing without all the dithering. Basicly people who believe terminating Obama sin Laden is an accomplishment are impressed by their own farts.

    BBL
     
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    Well, in a well, I'm disappointed! I was hoping you were smart enough to not be a long time believer in the success of The Kenyan. I say that because you sound like that's what you wanted.

    Obama is putting our country on the brink of ruination, and you praise him! Kind of sad really!:rolleyes:
     
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    you don't seem to understand how the primary process works

    who do think was the best candidate, if not romney?

    you know, the guy that got the most votes

    palin lost in 2008 then went to pieces

    and quit her job like a loser

    she's done

    evidence says those are all lies and you really would have to be naive to believe lies like those

    you must love the blaze and world net daily


    that explains a lot
     
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    Sorry! "Well, in a way" is the correction. Of course, reasoning with you is like shouting into a well! :roflol:
     
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    so you don't believe what mccain and other intelligent republicans say about obama's birth certificate

    and his eligibility for the presidency?
     
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    Nope, and I doubt they do deep down! I'm sure I'm as intelligent as most, and intelligence is not the primary criteria, common sense is!
     
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    no, birthers don't get to make that claim
     
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    Please don't try to talk down to your betters! :smile:
     
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    i tell the truth no matter who's listening
     
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    The truth as you see it. I respect your right to be wrong! You are truly a legend in your own mind!:roflol:
     
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    the truth as supported by valid evidence

    anybody knows that if obama wasn't really eligible

    republicans like mccain would have been all over it, he wasn't

    face it, guys like you are the reason the gop is failing so miserably

    [​IMG]
     
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    Not true. The racist MSM would have butchered any serious candidates even worse than they did. Obama was a protected species!
     
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    YOu mean like when the Rodent in charge of Michigan wanted his RATS for vote for McStain in 2000, to help the worst possible candidate would face off against the Inventor of the Internet?

    Everyone else figured out that the Mayor supported Herman Cain from the above post, why couldn't you?

    Palin didn't lose. Just in case you missed it, Palin wasnt running, McStain was.

    Fascists like to lie, because they can't handle the truth.

    Do explain why your Rodents filed an infinte number of completely bogus lawsuits against a sitting governor, okay?

    And who was it who nailed what Pokey Putitin was going to do to his Gumby Obama with Urkaine?

    Any of your Rodents manage to figure it out, YET?
     
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    mccain lost because of palin and the gop lie manufacturing machine

    palin was mccain's running mate, she most certainly was running for vice-president


    QUICK FACTS

    Sarah Palin, McCain's 2008 running mate, is the second woman and first Republican female to run for vice president on a U.S. major party's ticket.

    http://www.biography.com/people/sarah-palin-360398


    what a joke and keep up the good work, it was extremely effective in 2008 and 2012
     
  21. Mayor Snorkum

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    It's later.

    7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry:
    Funny, isn't it, that King Obama violated all the federal bankruptcy laws, to steal GM from it's owners, to throw it to the goonions that wrecked it, and GM still owes the US taxpayers some 50,000,000,000 dollars.

    FORD was certainly turned around. FORD didn't steal any money from the taxpayers.

    That article must be talking about Ford.

    How's GM's home town doing these days?

    8. Recapitalized Banks:
    So, suddenly bailing out the banks is a good thing, after campaigning against it? That is what fascists do. Meanwhile, what's really happening here is called "inflation". Just in case you refused to notice, the middle class is shrinking rapidly under King Obama, Fascist, and nothing he does is intended to do anything but that.

    9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”:
    How is making the military weaker an "accomlishment", unless making the military weaker was the goal?

    10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi:
    How is waging an illegal war to help al qeada an "accomplishment" unless treason is the goal?

    11. Told Mubarak to Go:
    How is destroying a US alliance an "accomplisment" unless weakening US foreign relations is the goal. Was getting his al-qeada puppet Morsi kicked out part of King Obama's plan, too?

    12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies:
    Bush's policy on torture was to not use torture in interrogations. Ergo, you have now claimed that King Obama has introduced torture as part of US policy.

    Do tell, what legislative action was passed through the House and Senate to permit this?

    You are aware that the Executive is required to act under the law, aren't you?

    13. Improved America’s Image Abroad:
    Really? What (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot believes that?

    Oh.

    Never mind.

    14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending:
    In what way has ANY of the government tuition aid welfare programs acted to make it more affordable to go to college? Before the government tuition aid welfare programs, people could "work their way through college". Not any more.

    What an "accomplishment", if the accomplishment was to help Big College with Corporate Subsidies and "Tax Loopholes".

    What wasn't done was getting the federal education spending in line with the Constitution, or absent obeying that law, somehow making college less expensive.

    15. Created Race to the Top:
    What the (*)(*)(*)(*)? "Race to the Top", is what capitalism is all about? Is the another Al Gore and the Internet moment?

    No! "Race to the Top" isn't that. It's another DemocRAT slush fund!

    Naturally, Rodents believe wasting taxpayer money is the best accomplishment of all, especially when the money doesn't accomplish anything.

    There's a easy way to accomplish better education in the US. The first step is to follow the Constitution and it's directives on how the federal government is supposed to fund or regulate education on a national level. The second step is to de-goonionize the public schools. The third step is to fire teachers who won't teach. And the fourth step is to have a curriculum that teachs ENGLISH, math, reading, writing, and AMERICAN history. The socialist studies and the condom on the banana can go out the door with the goonions.

    You ever stop to wonder why you Rodents are so determined to create so many stupid citizens?

    No...that's no likely, is it?

    16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards:
    How is establshing impossible-to-engineer fuel standards, thereby making cars even more expensive, even if the impossible goals cannot be met (King Obama is a messiah trapped by the laws of physics and economics - he can't break either), an "accomplishment", unless harming America is the goal?

    17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis:
    ie, taxpayer money wasted building autoplants in Sweden.

    18. Passed Mini Stimuli:
    Just as effective a slush-fund as the Big Stimuli, and just as disastrous.

    19. Began Asia “Pivot”:
    And King Obama is the "Pivot Man", as Putitin has adroitly taken advantage of. While King Obama has been spinning, (if he's not "Pivoting to Asia" he's "Pivoting to Jobs", when he's not "Pivoting To Delay ObamaCare Again"), China has been growing stronger, and right now the South China Sea is pretty much China's Local Pond.

    Total failure.

    20. Increased Support for Veterans:
    Not really. After all, he first demanded that wounded American vets use their private health insurance to cover their war injuries, before King Obama destroyed the private health insurance industry with the unconstitutional ObamaCare crap. And, recently, veterans saw a cut in retirement benefits while the Welfare Maggots saw major gains.

    And, do explain, how is King Obama "supporting" veterans when he shuts down the government thereby illegally closing the WWII monument to visitors, and then aids criminals two days after to use the same National Mall to make political speeches in favor of further criminal actions?

    21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran:
    That was before he loosened them, wasn't it?

    22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants:
    The goonionized coal miners that were stupid enough to vote for him feel so stupid now.

    Also, there is no such thing as a "dirty" coal burning power plant in the US. There's only fascists re-writing regulations to attach fossil fuels, because they're stupid Rodents.

    23. Passed Credit Card Reforms:
    You mean, AFTER the Court Jester passed laws making it almost impossible for the middle class to claim bankruptcy and be relieved of their ridiculous credit card debt? Oh, you forgot that Joe Hyena Biden was the purchased property of MBNA and the other credit card firms headquartered in...Delaware? What King Obama passed wasn't anything like an accomplishment.

    24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws:
    Signing a meaningless law that accomplished nothing now qualifies as an "accomplishment" for the Rodents. Also, you may like to note that the law violates the proscription in the Constituiton against ex-post facto laws. You can look the term up.

    25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court:
    Do some of those chairs have "L" scratched on them by previous juvenile delinquent judges?

    Appointing a racist woman who talks to her vagina IN SPANISH, is an "accomplishment" when the opportunity existed to appoint an American that would do their job as a judge and defend American liberties by protecting the Constitution? The Talking Vagina..her vote was one of those that placed ObamaCare in direct violation of Article I, Section 7, Part 1, wasn't it? The other dyke he appointed was another, wasn't it?

    How is destroying the Constitution an "accomplishment" unless the goal is national self-destruction?

    26. Improved Food Safety System:
    The food is this country is going to so damn safe nobody is going to be able to afford to eat it. It's going to be placed in banks and traded as the international replacement for the hyper-inflated dollar.

    27. Achieved New START Treaty:
    Ah, signing treaties with Rooshia...isn't that such a wonderful thing? King Obama knows someone as manly as Vladimir Putitin won't want to bend him over nearest Ukraine and give him what he wants, so it's okay to make the US even weaker.

    Roooshia launched an ICBM test today, and Putitin is still invading Ukraine. Such "accomplishments". Gee, not one American ever expected to see such accomplishments in their lifetime.

    28. Expanded National Service:
    More paid Obama-bots. It's clear why Rodents believe stealing from taxpayers to fund Obama-bots is good. Americans have more sense than that.

    30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco:
    Why? If it's bad, ban it. If it's no bad, don't ban it. Don't say it's bad and make profits of it, cynically encouraging people to die so they won't be a burden on ObamaCare later.

    Cite the clause of the Constitution authorizing the existence of the EPA.

    31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders:
    And, as every good American knows, Green is the new Pinko.

    32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act:
    Racism.

    33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
    Aka, Let's Sell Poland AND UKRAINE Down the River. And you should be reminded that "down the river" is a racist term the Mayor reserves just for King Obama and the other Racist DemocRATs.

    Meanwhile, China has the only supersonic cruise missile that can effectively target US carrier task forces, and the only practical method of defense would be theatre-based carrier launched ABL laser weapons...for which King Obama is spending 0.00 dollars to develop.

    34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown:
    Called "Hollowing Out The Military" by the obersvant Americans who wonder what kind of specially educated idiot it takes to desire to reduce US defense capabilities to levels below that of 1940?

    Meanwhile, by a bureaucratic decree with absolutely no public debate and ZERO legislative input, King Obama has made every woman in the US over the age of 18 eligible for the draft, when next the nation needs one, which will be sooner, not later, because King Obama is carving out the heart of national defense.

    35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission:
    Yes. King Obama ENDED America's status as a space-faring nation. Putitin made a joke about that not too long ago, and China is busy running bunnies on the moon, searching for exploitable resources.

    36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology:
    Solyndra is now an "accomplishment" by Rodents who hate America.

    37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests
    Gotta make the tests easier, because the teachers are stupider.

    Not an accomplishment.

    38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
    King Obama's pals don't want competition. King Obama and the federal government have a role defined by the Constitution concerning the governance of colleges. The Constitution gives them no authority at all.

    Violating the Constitution is not an "accomplishment", unless you're eager to see what King Obama does with 220 year old toilet paper.

    39. Improved School Nutrition:
    Note that King Obama's brats don't have to participate, and the masses aren't eating it either.

    Just another failed Moochelle scam.

    40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections:
    The correct name for so-called "Hate Crimes" is "thought-crime". Making Big Brother more powerful is not an accomlishment, unless you're a fascist, which King Obama is.

    41. Avoided Scandal
    Fast and Furious
    Benghazi
    IRS stonewalling.
    NSA spying on Americans
    Dick Holder illegally wiretapping AP reporters and Fox.
    His illegal war on Libya.
    Aiding and Abetting al-qeada.
    20 violations of the Constitution in his Cafeteria-style approach to his own MessiahCare travesty.
    Golf.
    Dogs on a Plane
    The Gumby Presidency.
    The Racist Dick Holder.

    King Obama is a Scandal Swiffer. But the medea believes all those things stuck to him are their emperor's new clothes.

    The IDIOTS pretend "Valerie Plame" was a scandal. That was just a bore. There was never anything to see, and that's what was seen.

    What kind of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) rag pretends that the medea squirreling over KIng Obama's multitude of scandals means King Obama is scandal-free?

    42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill:
    By illegally extorting money from BP. Just in case you didn't read the Constitution, and you clearly haven't, extortion isn't one of the Executive's authorized powers. Resolving litigation over the failure of King Obama's EPA to maintain oil-rig safety is a responsibility of the courts, (which ruled that King Obama's arbitrary termination of drilling leases in the Gulf was unconstitutional...TWICE), and of the legislature...you know, Congress.

    43. Created Recovery.gov:
    Really? How's that website compare with Obamacares(*)(*)(*)(*)edup.gov?

    Most people recognize that creating a webpage isn't a big deal anymore. Why not the buttlicking *******s at the Washington Monthly?

    44. Pushed Broadband Coverage:
    Americans recognize that the Internet became was it is because the government under Bush and the Republican House under the Rapist stood back and let it grow. The government seizing control of the internet, or wasting taxpayer dollars on it, won't do anything economically sensible.

    Government never does.

    45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children:
    Who didn't need it anyway. More fascist interference...and now that the spawn are covered on their parent's plan until theyr'e 27, ObamaCare isn't signing up enough young Stupids to make the scam self-sufficient.

    46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide:
    it's too bad someone took the plastic bags off their heads.

    CO2 isn't a pollutant. and the EPA has absolutely no legislative authority to treat it as such.

    AND...coal miners are loosing jobs thereby.

    47. Expanded Stem Cell Research:
    MORE murdered babies. You people must be so proud. To date, ZERO cures have come from fetal stem-cell research, and 50,000,000 babies have been killed because of you.

    NO medical breakthroughs, NO new industries, (the abortion factories are an old industry), and 50,000,000 tiny corpses. What an "accomplishment" that is.

    48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers:
    That's called corruption, and, oh by the way, it's also another one of King Obama's Scandals.

    49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence:
    So? Was he feeling guilty that his fellow muslims were enslaving those people? Or did Moochelle want a free trip to Africa again?

    50. Killed the F-22:
    There ya go! Weaker national defense, again.

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    The Washington Mesntrual Cycle is clearly a rag on the rag, and the Mayor certainly isn't going to waste 2 bytes to bookmark it.

    Is there any particular reason that you couldn't list even one accomplishment of your fascist messaih?

    Yes, there is a particular reason.

    He doesn't have any.
     
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    Right.

    She wasn't running for President, and when the medea is honest, the vice president's don't do much for the campaign.

    Palin pulled McStain UP.

    How did McStain lose "because of Palin" when she pulled his numbers upwards by 10 points?

    Answer:

    She didn't. McStain was NEVER presidential material. He's always been a RINO, and the real Americans, then ones who's votes the GOP always needs, want the RINOs to go extinct.
     
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    she was running for vice-president

    so your statement is false


    Growing Doubts on Palin Take a Toll, Poll Finds

    October 30, 2008

    A growing number of voters have concluded that Senator John McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, is not qualified to be vice president, weighing down the Republican ticket in the last days of the campaign, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    All told, 59 percent of voters surveyed said Ms. Palin was not prepared for the job, up nine percentage points since the beginning of the month. Nearly a third of voters polled said the vice-presidential selection would be a major factor influencing their vote for president, and those voters broadly favor Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee.

    And in a possible indication that the choice of Ms. Palin has hurt Mr. McCain’s image, voters said they had much more confidence in Mr. Obama to pick qualified people for his administration than they did in Mr. McCain.

    After nearly two years of campaigning, a pair of hotly contested nominating battles, a series of debates and an avalanche of advertisements, the nationwide poll found the contours of the race hardening in the last days before the election on Tuesday. Twelve percent of the voters surveyed said they had already voted. These were among the findings:

    ¶Mr. Obama is maintaining his lead, with 51 percent of likely voters supporting him and 40 percent supporting Mr. McCain in a head-to-head matchup.

    ¶Some perceptions of race are changing, with a marked increase in the number of people who say they believe that white and black people have an equal chance of getting ahead in America today.

    ¶Mr. McCain’s focus on taxes, including his talk about Joe the Plumber, seems to be having some effect, as a growing number of voters now say Mr. McCain would not raise their taxes.

    ¶Eighty-nine percent of people view the economy negatively, and 85 percent think the country is on the wrong track.

    ¶Mr. Obama continues to have a significant advantage on key issues like the economy, health care and the war in Iraq.

    The survey found that opinions of Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain had hardened considerably, as 9 out of 10 voters who said they had settled on a candidate said their minds were made up, and a growing number of them called it “extremely important” that their candidate win the election. Roughly half of each candidate’s supporters said they were “scared” of what the other candidate would do if elected. Just 4 percent of voters were undecided, and when they were pressed to say whom they leaned toward, the shape of the race remained essentially the same.

    Bolstered by the fiscal crisis and deep concerns about the direction of the country, Mr. Obama has seemed to solidify the support he has gained in recent months. When likely voters were asked whom they would vote for in an expanded field that included several third-party candidates, Mr. Obama got the support of 52 percent of them, Mr. McCain 39 percent, Bob Barr 1 percent, and Ralph Nader 2 percent.

    The nationwide telephone poll was conducted Saturday through Wednesday with 1,439 adults nationwide, including 1,308 registered voters. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

    The poll was conducted as a wide range of state polls have shown Mr. Obama, of Illinois, ahead or tied in several crucial contested states, including some traditionally Republican states that Mr. McCain, of Arizona, must carry to win the election.

    The survey suggested that Mr. Obama’s candidacy — if elected, he would be the first black president — has changed some perceptions of race in America. Nearly two-thirds of those polled said whites and blacks have an equal chance of getting ahead in today’s society, up from the half who said they thought so in July. And while 14 percent still said most people they knew would not vote for a black presidential candidate, the number has dropped considerably since the campaign began.

    Mr. McCain’s heavy focus on taxes in the final weeks of the campaign seems to be having some effect, the poll found. Forty-seven percent of voters said Mr. McCain would not raise taxes on people like them, up from just 38 percent who said so two weeks ago. (And 50 percent said they thought Mr. Obama would raise taxes on people like them, while 44 percent said he would not; both numbers are similar to two weeks ago.)

    With just days until Americans choose a new president, the survey found them deeply uneasy about the state of their country. Eight-five percent of respondents said the country was pretty seriously off on the wrong track, near the record high recorded earlier this month. A majority said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq. And President Bush’s approval rating remains at 22 percent, tied for the lowest presidential approval rating on record (which was President Harry S. Truman’s rating, recorded by the Gallup Poll in 1952).

    Mr. McCain’s renewed efforts to cast himself as the candidate of change have apparently faltered. Sixty-four percent of voters polled said Mr. Obama would bring about real change if elected, while only 39 percent said Mr. McCain would. And despite Mr. McCain’s increased efforts to distance himself from President Bush, a majority still said he would generally continue Mr. Bush’s policies.

    Dixie Cromwell, a 36-year-old cosmetologist from Shelby, N.C., who is a Republican, said in a follow-up interview that she had already voted for Mr. Obama.

    “I generally vote Republican, but this year I voted Democrat,” she said. “I just don’t feel we can go through any more of the same old thing that we’ve been going through with the Republican Party.”

    Mr. Obama’s policies were seen as much more likely to improve the economy, provide health insurance to more people, and scale back military involvement in Iraq than Mr. McCain’s were. But Mr. McCain enjoyed an advantage when it came to questions about which candidate would make a better commander in chief: 47 percent of voters said Mr. McCain was very likely to be an effective commander in chief, compared with 33 percent who said Mr. Obama would be.

    While a majority viewed Ms. Palin as unqualified for the vice presidency, roughly three-quarters of voters saw Mr. Obama’s running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, as qualified for the job. The increase in the number of voters who said Ms. Palin was not prepared was driven almost entirely by Republicans and independents.

    Over all, views of Ms. Palin were apparently shaped more by ideology and party than by gender. Ms. Palin was viewed as unprepared for the job by about 6 in 10 men and women alike. But 8 in 10 Democrats viewed her as unprepared, as well as more than 6 in 10 independents and 3 in 10 Republicans.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31poll.html?_r=0
     
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    Like it or not, voter ID will be a reality in all "57" States in a few years.
     
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    Solving a problem that doesn’t exist: Voter ID laws in N.C.

    March 3, 2014

    North Carolina recently passed laws that seek to not only tighten ID verification at the polls but also to shorten the voting period by one week and end same-day voting registration. Supporters of the new laws argue they will successfully curtail the prevalence of voter fraud in the state of North Carolina as well as save the state substantial amounts of money by shortening the voting period. These arguments are simply a weak attempt to mask the true purpose of these laws — to keep certain people from having access to the polls.

    Many believe one person’s vote is very unlikely to have an effect on the outcome of an election. Though this may be true, providing a clear path to polls and keeping voting turnout percentages high means citizens will strive to be better informed about issues facing their states or countries. North Carolina’s new voter ID laws alienate college students, specifically those who were not born in the state and who are already wary about voting in the first place.

    Only 17 percent of the class of 2017, hails from the state of North Carolina. With a majority of Elon students residing outside of the state, these new laws put a massive divide between Elon students and the polls. Elon is not the only school that has a majority of out of state students. Duke University, Wake Forest University and High Point University all draw an overwhelming majority of their student body from outside North Carolina.

    College provides an intellectually stimulating platform from which students grow and mature as individuals. On their own for the first time, students form opinions and political views that are unique to them. As the newest eligible members of our democracy, the state and federal government should ensure college students have a clear and concise path to the polls.

    A recent Elon University Poll showed that 65 percent of North Carolina residents supported the new law requiring voters to show a photo ID at the polls. The law is most popular amongst Republicans, 96 percent of whom support the new security measures that are now in place. The law is least popular among Democrats, only 36 percent of whom support the voter ID requirements.

    The Elon Poll, as well as several other data collection organizations, have found that voter fraud, which has been cited as one of the main reasons for the creation of the law, is very rare. In fact, many cases of voter fraud are often incorrectly classified as fraud. It seems as though only those who support the new law view voter fraud as a crippling threat to our democracy.

    The 2014 election cycle will be the first time these new laws are enacted. Furthermore, the 2016 election cycle will be the first time in North Carolina when college student’s university IDs will not be an acceptable form of identification. These new measures will have a direct effect on not only limiting participation, but they will also intimidate first time or minority voters.

    This issue is not one that is obvious to college students. Elon students have a knack for keeping themselves busy. College students, especially those who hail from outside North Carolina, should pay attention to these laws for they are directly limiting citizens’ rights to participate in elections.

    Since the start of the 20th century, voter turnout in the United States has stayed relatively stagnant. According to the Bipartisan Research Center, the average percentage of eligible voter turnout in the U.S. has hovered between 48 and 57 percent since 1900. With women winning the right to vote in 1920, one would think voter turnout would increase as we move further into the century, but this is not the case.

    Having a more informed and engaged electorate is not only good for the government, but it is also good for the state of North Carolina. The U.S. was founded on the belief that government officials would be elected by the people and serve the people. Each state should be striving to increase voter turn out, not restrict and limit it.

    North Carolina’s new voter ID laws are in direct conflict with that constitutional right. Voting is a right that all citizens of the United States should be able to participate in regardless of race, sex or economic background. Government officials in North Carolina should reverse these new restrictions so all people may participate in our constitutional right to vote.

    http://www.elonpendulum.com/2014/03/problem-doesnt-exist-voter-id/
     
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