Waging A Real War On Christmas/Synchronized Hyperspace Event (S.H.E.)

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    3 Random Questions for everyone.

    1. Do you have a skeleton inside of you?

    2. Have you ever heard of a story where a skeleton does something good?

    3. Why are all skeletons evil?
     
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    If you have ever played Assassins Creed, you probably have heard of "Assassins" and wondered if their was any Historical basis for the game. If you are looking for evidence of an Italian Assassin guild, or an American Assassin guild, you might be able to do it, but not deep deep in history. So you probably automatically assume Ninjas are the precursor to Assassins, and Assassins come from Asia. But they do not. Assassins come from "Hashashins" and they are from the Islamic Tradition.

    Hashashins were made famous by a guy called "The Old Man of the Mountain", his real name was Rashid ad-Din Sinan.

    The Leader of the Hashashins was Hassan-i Sabbah. He was basically an Islamic Missionary, and his people were being conquered. So he started a "Secret Society" where people joined his Mission in an underground manner, then took a fortress on a mountain by slowly working their way into the guard positions. They all got hired as guards and snuck inside and stuff, then they just pulled out their weapons and told everyone that the fortress was theirs now.

    From the fortress on the mountain, they launched attacks and fought of sieges from the enemy army.

    The Assassins/Hashashins grew, and eventually they became an enemy to the Knights Templar. When you hear of the Christians and Muslims "fighting over the Holy Land", it was the Assassins Vs The Knights Templar.
     
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    The Hashashins were not only known for the one mountain fort and their ability to defend it, but they were also considered formidable by both Christian and Muslim armies. They were known for getting hired or bought as slaves, so that they could get in to the Palaces and camps of other factions leaders, then they would either gather information from that group, or they would continue to plant members in the group until there were more of them than there were actual guards or slaves. Just like the American/French Revolutionaries and the Freed Roman slaves, the Hashashins were known for wearing Santa hats/Phrygian Caps.


    You may be wondering "If the Hashashins and the American Revolutionaries and Roman slaves were all wearing Santa hats/Phrygian Caps/Liberty Caps, was there a connection or are they just random groups that both thought the Santa hat was cool? There is a connection. America was not founded by Assassins, but when America was founded, the people living there were Christian, and the other Christian nations wanted to kill them. They were helped by the Santa hat tradition.

    If I say the word "Pirate" you automatically picture a few things. An Eye patch, a Peg Leg, a Parrot, and a Curved Sword. The reason you imagine the Curved sword, is because a large portion of what we now call "Pirates" were Barbary Pirates. If you look up "Barbary Pirates" you will find paintings and stuff of people wearing Santa hats.

    Then if you look up "Ottoman Soldier" you will find paintings of more people with these hats. The Ottoman Empire was the empire that protected America from the other Christians. When the American flag was first made, it was used on boats, and anyone who saw one would attack that ship. Once the Ottoman empire signed the "Treaty of Peace and Friendship" with America, it officially made America a nation. Because a nation just means that you are an entity that has a treaty with various other nations. That is the only thing that makes a nation a recognized nation. The Ottoman empire is not talked about much, but the British Empire was not such a big problem once America had protection at sea.

    If you looked up "Ottoman Soldier" and "Barbary Pirate" and "Hashashin" you probably saw a people that looked pretty Muslim, and think I am talking about Muslim ideology. This is NOT Muslim ideology. It goes further back than Christianity and Islam, you can find more about the Santa hat by looking up "Mithra" and "Phrygia".

    But if you want to see how America, France and Santa hat ideology all tie together, all you have to do is look up "Zouave". These are French Soldiers that fought in the Civil war, and if you didn't know they were French, you would think they were from the Middle East.
     
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    You have probably heard of a "Wizard hat" which is usually some kind of pointy hat, maybe with Moons and Stars on it. Just like the Liberty cap and the Santa hat, the wizard hat comes from the Phrygian cap.

    During Roman times and earlier, it was believed that the Planets controlled the weather. Zeus is often depicted with a Lightning bolt, this is because Zeus is Jupiter and they thought Jupiter controlled lightning. Now we know that weather comes from Atmospheric situations and lightning comes from Ions moving around. To them, it looked like the planet Jupiter (Zeus) controlled the lightning.

    Then slowly, as more and more was discovered, and Christianity started to spread, the religions that believed the planets controlled the weather (as well as tons of other stuff about the planets) became underground groups, many of them can be found by searching "Hermeticism". In the Middle East, this was known as "Alchemy". Alchemy was early chemistry, where people would do things like make Metal Alloys, or Make Liquor or Perfume. This was happening in the middle east, and they were using the ancient planetary models of study. They believed that the planets were heavily connected to certain metals and plants.

    These "Alchemists" were known for wearing Phrygian caps. Here is an example of a Phrygian cap being used as a Wizard cap.
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    If you think of Wizard Hats and think of the "Crescent Moon and Star" symbol when you think of a wizard, that is because "Wizards" were pre-Islamic people taken over by the Islamic empires, and became part of Islam. Today if you look at a Muslim flag/symbol, usually it has a Crescent Moon and a Star. If you look back far enough in history, you will find "Tanit" which is where this symbol comes from.
     
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    When I say "Isaac Newton Discovered Gravity" you probably automatically think of "That guy who had an apple fall on his head". When we were little, they told us that he discovered gravity when an apple fell on his head, and we all are like "That makes sense" because we are kids, then we get older and it is just how we think it happened. This is not actually how it happened. Gravity is not just simply the idea that "Things Fall" gravity is slightly more complex than that. Gravity explains how the moon controls the tides of the ocean, Gravity explains that 2 things fall at the same rate, Gravity explains that the planets are slightly attracted to each other, and massively attracted to the sun. And now we know that Gravity is different on the moon than it is on Earth.

    And hearing all that, you probably think "That guy must have known some science", but actually, Isaac Newton is known for NOT being a scientist. Isaac Newton was one of the last Alchemists before the Age of Reason came forth, using ideas from him and others.

    Isaac Newton didn't even mean to discover Gravity, he was doing research to try to discover when the world would end, using the Bible and concepts such as Algebra, which we still use, and other things that not many people use any more, like Isopephy, Gematria and Zairja. Which is like Algebra for words.

    Due to Persecution from the Christian church on other Religions, Isaac Newton tried to keep most of his studies secret. Since alchemy has ties to planetary religions, it could have gotten him labeled a witch or sorcerer and killed. And we would have never heard of Gravity.

    Gravity itself has remnants of Alchemy right in it. It is a concept that tie the Earth to other heavenly bodies, which was prevalent in Alchemy. And it is an invisible force, that Isaac Newton never actually saw. Kind of like Dark Matter for scientists now, they can see how it acts on other things, but they can't see it. The idea of proposing something like that is very Alchemical. And in case you didn't notice "Alchemy" and "Algebra" are both Arabic words.

    If you study Newton, you will see that he has theories about Atlantis, as well as a date for the end of the world. People tend to ignore that stuff though and focus on the fact that he found Gravity.
     
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    You may be thinking "Well, that is in the past, and Gravity is THAT big of a deal". But even though Isaac Newton was one of the last Alchemists of his time, he was definitely not the last Alchemist.

    You have probably heard of the weird studies that Benjamin Franklin was in to. He invented Bi-Focal glasses, so people could have so regular glasses and reading glasses in each lens. His most well known venture was probably studying electricity, the story is that he tied a metal key to a kite and had lightning strike it. I am pretty sure that this is a simplified exaggeration much like Isaac Newton's apple of the head story. But Benjamin Franklin was also an Alchemist.

    If you look up "The Old Farmers Almanac", which was started by Benjamin Franklin and comes out every year with a new edition, you will find not only dates for planting crops, but you will find dates for Solar Eclipses and Ancient Farming techniques, like planting by the Planets instead of by the seasons. It also teaches people how to use things like Blood meal, Bone meal, Potash and other Alchemical things in order to fertilize their crops. The Old Farmer's Almanac is basically a simplified Alchemists guidebook for farmers.

    The sky used to rule the Government and the society. When people used to say "As above, So below" they did not mean that Heaven reflects Earth, they were saying that Earth is a reflection of the sky.
     
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    You still might be thinking "Farming and Gravity, that's not really that important". But as I said before, the Sky used to rule the Government and Society, and we can still show this model in the current Government. The sky offers us a lot of things. The Sun seems to go up and down every day, but at the same time it moves across the horizon and you can measure this if you make a fake horizon wall, and mark the sun setting every day. It will move. The sky also offers us the moon, and the planets, which both offer calendars completely different than Sun calendars. And Calendars pretty much guide our lives. For example, did you know the reason July and August have 31 days and are right next to each other is because Augustus Cesar decided he wanted 31 days in his month, so he took one for February. Then February got leap year, and now "Leap Year" is a thing we all know about, the calendar has "Guided" that.

    If you have ever been to a really old court house, you have probably seen a statue of a lady with a blind fold, holding a scale. Some people think that Court Rooms come from Boats, and Captains deciding things, but this is wrong. Court Rooms come from Ancient Egypt, and Ancient Greco-Rome. All Governmental bodies are based on Heavenly bodies. When we first had "Judges" they represented heavenly action on Earth, you can definitely see this in the Bible. The entire legal system is based on the sky. As above, so below. Abrahamic faith thinks this means there is a God somewhere in heaven, everyone else understands that this means the Solar system acts as one entity, even though each planet exists individually. The Police or the "Polis" is also based on the sky.

    Also, modern Ambulances sometimes have a weird badge symbol on them, but when people think of Hospitals they still think of the Staff with Wings and the Snake. This is the Staff of Aesclapius and is DEEPLY tied to Hermeticism and the Planet Mercury. Medicine comes from Alchemy, Hippocrates made the Hippocratic oath and Doctors still say it today.
     
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    Someone asked how to make a Marijuana Perfume, so here it is.

    First, you have to make some pure extract. In Perfuming there are 3 options. Enflourage, Concrete and Absolute.

    Enflourage is plant material extracted in to a fat or oil. Ex: Coconut Oil, Butter, Vegetable Oil, Olive Oil, etc.

    Concrete is an extraction that is dried. Ex: You could make strong dark Tea with a plant, then evaporate the water by boiling it all away, and you would have concrete of that plant. You could also let a plant sit in Alcohol or another Solvent, then filter out the plant material. Then let the solvent evaporate. Then you have Concrete also. Dry sifting also makes a form of Concrete.

    Concrete can be used as Incense.

    Absolute is a more pure extract. To get absolute you can do a few different things. The most common is distillation. This is the same way people make Moonshine. You make a dark tea with the plant, then put it in a Still and evaporate it to the other side. Any steam extraction method with get you Absolute. The Chemistry way to make Absolute is to do an extraction in a non-Polar Solvent, then do a wash with a Polar solvent. Or Polarization, Winterization and Filtration.

    This will create a produce Perfume grade stuff.

    If you are going to make a Perfume, usually you would get something called "Perfumer's Alcohol" and you would mix your Absolute with that, and other things like Lemonene or whatever Terpene you want in there.

    In the Perfume industry they use the Molecule "Caryophyllene" to make Marijuana perfumes. I am pretty sure you could make something that smelled like Marijuana if you make Absolute from Patchouli and Uziza.

    If you make Marijuana Absolute, you can also do things like mix it with Calcium Hydroxide, or Acetic acid. This way you could form a Salt, instead of a sticky Material. You could also make Marijuana Esters, Peptides, etc.

    If you are going to make Marijuana Perfume, I suggest having these things.

    d-Lemonene
    Glycerol/Glycerine
    Vanillin
    GABA
    L-Tryptophan
    Ethanol/Pure Drinking Alcohol
    Methanol
    L-Lysine
    Glutamine
    Niacin
    Absorbic Acid/Vitamin C
    Tartaric Acid
    Malic Acid
    Edible Lime/Calcium Hydroxide
    Thiamine
    Hydrogen Peroxide
    Potassium Hydroxide
    b-Alanine
    L-Proline
    Activated Charcoal
    Isopropyl Alcohol
    Benzoic Acid
    Baking Soda
    Socium Chloride/Table Sale
    Sodium Benzoate
    Mineral Oil
    Citric Acid
    5-HTP
    L-Theanine
     
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    Around 100,000 years ago, our Ancestors in Southern Africa started using Dream Herbs and doing Rituals in places like Python Cave, Pinnacle Point, Klaises River Cave and Blombos Cave. One herb they used for Dreaming is Imphepho, another is Silene Capensis.

    Dreaming was the very beginning of Religion and Culture. Not only was Imphepho one of the first dream herbs, it was the first thing people ever used to make beds. Usually you would think of Hay as early bedding, but it has been discovered that Imphepho was in the first human beds and pillows.

    Around 70,000 BC humans made their way out of Africa, across parts of Asia. Then they made it to Australia, the evidence of this is a skeleton known as "Mungo Man". the Aboriginals in Australia evolved right along side the rest of us, so they were not Isolated and in Papau New Guinea there are still people who have non-Homo Sapien DNA, they are Homo Sapein and Denisovan. So they have the DNA of an older species. They are also know for making boats. It is thought that boats were first made as canoes, but people have been discovering for the passed half century that more and more cultures that preserved prehistoric methods make raft like boats, or boats from Reeds. When the Australian Aborignals made it there 70,000 years ago, they started using Acacia and other plants for dreaming, and inventing, and exploring the spirit world. This time is known as "Dream Time" and there is a field of Archaeology known as "Dream Time Archaeology".

    Eventually these people made their way back to Africa and the Egyptian "Tree of Life" is the Acacia, which is usually depicted as some form of living being with branches, giving someone a cup of liquid. So they made drinks from Acacia, and Acacia bark is known to contain DMT and 5-MeO-DMT.

    Moses was raised by Pharaoh, and according to tradition, Moses wrote the Bible. Moses' mother sent him down the river, and the Egyptian princess found him in the Reeds and raised her as her own. Then he was raised in the Egyptian temples and schools.

    If you look in the Bible, you will find the the Tabernacle is made of Acacia wood. You also find that the Ark of the Covenant and Moses' Altar were made of Acacia wood. Historians believe that Moses talked to God because of an Acacia tree that was vaporized near a heat vent, and they also believe that the crown that was put on Jesus was made of an Acacia branch. I am not saying that these people didn't exist, I am saying they were following a 70,000 year old tradition.

    According to Christian/Jewish tradition, Moses wrote the Bible. The "10 Commandments" were actually a lot longer than we think of them. It was a book of law. In the Bible it speaks of a "Tree of Life" and a "Tree of Knowledge", according to Christianity, humans ate from the Tree of Knowledge. In Ancient Egypt, they were drinking from the tree of life.
     
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    If you have been Christian, or are Christian, or talk to a Christian, then you know that there is supposed to be a difference between the "Old Testament God" and the "New Testament God".There is a reason, for this. Moses took some things from the Egyptian tradition, but not any of the Good stuff. The Tree of Life became hidden, and the Acacia became used as an altar instead of a drink.

    But the idea of the "Vengeful God" and the "Jealous God" comes from Mountain and Lightning Worship. Christianity and Judaism started of as Mountain and Lightning Worship. Moses went up to Mount Sianai, where he found a "Fire God" who spoke to him. Then God burned the top of the mountain, some Christians claim to know where this mountain is, and there is a mountain in the Middle East with a Burn on top, and they say that God sat there.

    If you look up Jacowitz, you will find a Native American Mountain God. One who accepts Sacrifice, just like the Abrahamic God. The God of Abraham said "The wages of Sin is death" so if you sin, Christians say you are supposed to die. But Jesus died for you. This is Mountain God mentality.

    Jacowits is part of a "Holy Trinity" of Gods, also known as a "Triad". Similar to Christianity, ex: Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost. The Native Americans in North America also had a version of this mountain God, they called them "Thunder Birds" and they claimed that they lived on Mountains. A specific example of this is Pamola.

    The Mountain Gods and the Lightning/Thunder Gods were very Similar. And you can imagine that when there were no walls, and no electricity, lightning must have seemed a lot more like "The Voice of God".

    Hurricanes are named after the South American God Huracan. He is known for taking part in Creation, and the "Global Flood" in Native American myth. Supposedly he created Giants and they displeased him, so he made a flood, then created man. He is represented as a Serpent, or a 1 legged man, because he is the God of Lightning.

    The Aztecs had a similar Lightning God named Tlaloc. He was seen as the giver of life, and was feared for his ability to send storms and hail. This was the main religion in Mexico before the Christians came, and most of the Christian worshiping places are actually places that the people used to worship Tlaloc (Mountains, etc). So the Natives basically just had to change the name name of God, then still be scared he might send a storm and stuff. It was really no different except the Christians were telling everyone not to let women on top in bed. Which is a really weird thing to make everyone do.

    Chaac was the Mayan Lightning and Storm God. He is an example of an American culture who used the Axe along with the Worship of a Thunder God. You have heard of this before in Europe as "Thor". There are a lot of religions around the world that say Lightning is actually a God who goes up to the sky to strike the clouds and bring rain. Usually lightning is also associated with snakes.

    I am not saying that Christianity was a copy of something else, I am saying that a lot of Culture thought that Lightning was the Voice of God. Or that God lived on Mountains.
     
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    I am almost positive that there are some people out there that read the last few posts and thought "This guy thinks God put Obama in office and Congress in Power, he thinks the Government is looking out for his best interests". And I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    There are probably other people who are thinking "All you said was that Western Medicine represents the Planet Mercury on Earth, and that Judges represent heavenly bodies, etc" so I will go further in to this now.

    I mentioned before that the "Holy Trinity" is a common theme throughout MOST religions. In Christianity it can be found in "God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost", and I also gave the example of the Native American, Jacowitz, who was part of a Holy Trinity as well as a Global flood myth. There are so many examples of Holy Trinities in both Religion and Nature.

    In the Hindu Religion, the Holy Trinity is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Just like in Christianity, they are all actually 1 God, but he takes 3 forms. His Singular form when he is all 3 is "Creation", but his 3 forms are: Creation, Destruction and Preservation. And destruction is not like Armies attacking people, Destruction is like a Revolution bringing a new Political system. Or a Seed breaking open and becoming a plant. These are examples of "Shiva" type destruction. This Trinity is known as the Trimurti.

    In Ancient Greece there was a Holy Trinity: Zeus, Hades and Poseidon. Which is, Sky, Water and Underworld. Zeus also had a half human, half God son called Hercules.

    This Holy Trinity was used as a balance of Government. The Temples of these Gods were considered extremely important, and before there were Government buildings, these operations happened inside the Temples. Ancient Greece had Congress, Judges and a Democratic leader. And the American Government system was not actually invented by the Founding Fathers, it was mostly taken from the nearby native American tribes. They had a system where they could cross borders for trading and stuff, but they retained borders for certain things. They used the Native American model (The Sioux Nation I think) and mixed it with the Athenian model. This is how we got the Government we have now.

    If you look up "Legal Maxims" you will find what are basically Rules for court proceeding. These are not all new, some of them have been around since we were speaking Latin. Same goes for the Government, they may have written those documents in the late 1700s, but the actually thing itself comes from the sky and has been used for a LONG time.

    Democracy is different from other systems because ANYONE can become part of the "Ruling Class", and we get to choose who is in the ruling class. But we mess it up by picking people that look like they belong there. Then we have to do like the sky does in Easter, which is Revolution. Taurus is covered for 3 days, then it comes back out to start everything over and start anew with Spring.

    The Constellations in the sky that people said "That looks like a bull" and "That looks like a fish", these people did not just pick random stars to shape. Those stars are the stars that the sun Moves through, as we move around the sun. From our perspective here on Earth, the sun moves through different constellations. This is why in Astrology there is a constellation associated with your birthday.That just means that is where the sun was in association to the stars when you were born.

    You may have also noticed that "Months" don't really go with a Sun calendar. Months are loosely based on the Moon Calendar. So about Once a month you get a Full moon and a New moon. That is why we have Months.
     
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    You may be thinking "If the Tree of Life comes from Egypt, did the Serpent also show up in Egyptian Myth" the answer is yes, and not only did the Serpent appear in Egyptian mythology, but it was a storm God. He is meant to represent Darkness and Chaos, he was also depicted as a Dragon.

    Apep was the direct opponent of Ma'at, who is the Goddess of Light, Truth, Balance and Justice. She is represented by the Scale (for weighing). Ma'at can be found today in the word "Math" and the = sign is pretty much her reincarnation in our culture. Both sides of the equation must be balanced. The direct enemy of the God of Light and Balance is the Lightning/Storm/Mountain God. He asks for death by sin, while Ma'at simply asks for moral repayment for evil deeds.

    Apep was always depicted as some kind of Serpent, either a Dragon or Snake or some other scaled creature.

    Since Ra was the Sun, in the sky, he was also closely associated with light, but Ra is the force behind the light he is not the light itself. So in modern terms, Ra is something like "Atomic Energy" or even "Kinetic Energy". Apep was also an Enemy of Ra, and the Ancient Egyptian said that every day when the Sun (Ra) when down for the night, he was actually going in to the underworld and doing battle with Apep. So every morning when the Sun came up, the Egyptians greeted it as if it had won a battle to get there.

    Early on in the Mythology (Egypt was around for about 10,000 years, so things changed sometimes) Ra and Set were on the same team, so the Storm God and the Sun God were actually together fighting the Chaos and the Darkness, but later Set became intertwined with Apep in the story, and the Storm God became equivalent to the Chaos and Darkness.

    Then according to the Bible, Moses went on top of a Mountain and started talking to this Storm God.
     
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    I only mentioned the Egyptian perspective on this. So here is the ancient Jewish tradition.

    The Ancient Jewish people had multiple Gods, not just one God. And their Storm God was known as Hadad.

    Christians claim that the word Ba'al in the Bible is a reference to the Devil, but Ba'al was the ancient Semitic word for "Lord". They did not say Lord, they said Ba'al. But when another tribe says it, the people in the Bible claim that their Lord is Satan. And Satan is not Lucifer, Satan is just Hebrew word for Adversary. So Ba'al is God when you are Christian and he is Satan if you are a Christians enemy, according to the Bible.

    But, if you look in to the Culture that came before Jesus, you will see the storm God Hadad and earlier Adad. He was called Ba'al only when people wanted to call him Lord, because that was the word for Lord. Hadad is even called "The Lord of Heaven".

    I did not mention the Aztec and Mayan Gods for no reason, Tlaloc and the other Gods are the same as Hadad and Adad. Also similar to Zeus and Thor. Usually they are part of the Holy Trinity, no matter what region of the world it is.

    Also as mentioned before Native Americans related their Lightning with the Axe, and the Norse related their Lightning with the Axe. This symbolism is known as the Labrys. It is also the tool that Zeus/Jupiter used to call on lightning. When Christianity spread it was very easy for them to make everyone stop worshiping axes and give them crosses. At least easier than telling them to get a whole new Faith. So when people "Wield a Cross" and claim it Holds power, this comes from the Labrys. Yes it is a symbol of Jesus death, but when someone claims it has the power of the sky God, this is a Labrys. No different than if someone were to say Thor was helping them swing their axe.

    The word "Symbol" is related to the word "Symmetry". Symmetry means something is the same on both sides, like a Cross or a Butterfly. Symbol means that they are different, but they mean the same on the inside. For example, Christians claimed the symbol of the Lion and the Lambs, but they are all Humans.

    The number 3 shows up again and again in Religions. The Trinity is a very popular concept, and throughout history people have used the "Trefoil" to show the trinity, you can even find the symbol on Churches today. It is a symbol that represents the Holy Trinity. The Triquetra can also be found throughout most religions, and shows the same trinity.
     
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    People are already putting Christmas Lights up, so I am going to give everyone some examples of what different symbols they can use.

    The "Liberty Pole" that shows you are a freed Slave is a Phrygian/Santa Cap on top of a Pole. This symbol can be found in the American Army Seal and the US Senate seal, so the Government Recognizes it, it is also on the Haitian flag since they are a nation of Freed slaves.

    You can replicate this Symbol by putting a Santa Hat on top of a Tree, or a Light Post, or a Stop Sign, or a Flag Pole.

    Santa Hats are not the only version. You can actually find "Phrygian Caps" some places. Then there are Red Berets, which the Army still wears some places. Another modern version is the "Fez". There are groups that wear Fezs in America still, like the Shriners, so if you put it on a Pole people would definitely recognize it.

    The hat itself was just worn by a certain country first, then eventually they became known as "Slave hats", and eventually a symbol of Freedom and Liberty.
     
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    Do you believe that Hercules is the one who separated Europe from Africa at the Straight of Gibraltar? Do you believe there was a man with a Bull head who ate virgins? Do you believe that Prometheus brought us fire from the Gods?

    If you do not believe these stories are true, and think they are Myths that contain Philosophy, then you should not believe that Jewish people were ever slaves in Egypt. Christians demonize the Egyptian religion and Culture by labeling "Pharaoh" as a slave driver, and pretending as if the people in Egypt thought they were "better than God".

    There is no evidence of Slavery in Egypt, or Moses. Moses is not even an Egyptian word, but the Bible claims he was found as a baby and raised by Pharaoh's daughter.

    I am not saying the Holocaust didn't happen, or that Rome didn't push the Jewish people all over the world. I am just saying that there is not a single bit of evidence that the Egyptians enslaved Jewish people. And I don't even mean this towards Jewish people, this is for Christians mainly. I apologize if your heritage is attached to the fairy-tale of slavery in Egypt, but it is a fairy-tale.

    If you think there is evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt, or Moses existing. Then you also believe we have evidence for the existence of things like the "Set Animal" or the Griffin. The Griffin is a mythical beast that is not only found in one culture, but in MANY cultures. But we know Griffins and Set Animals aren't real. On the other hand, 1 Culture tells us that their culture was slaves, but the people who are claimed to have been the slave drivers don't seem to have any blood on their hands.

    There is some History in the Bible, there is some History in Egypt, there is some history in Greece. But if you want to find out what is Myth and what is true, you have to compare them all and subtract the difference.
     
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    If you get in to deep discussion with a Christian who thinks the Bible is History, they probably base some of their beliefs on the Book of Enoch and the Book of Macabee and stuff.

    If you have heard of Christians who say Dinosaurs and People lived together, usually they will point to things like the Book of Enoch, where a "Behemoth" is described. And if you drew what was described, you would get something like a Brontosaurus. To Christians, this is evidence that Dinosaurs lived with people. They will also point to things like the Inca stones, which depict dinosaurs and brain surgery, but these are hoaxes.

    You have probably also heard of the flood with Noah, these people who think the Bible talks about dinosaurs usually also believe that the Bible talks about Nephilim, which are half angel or something and they are Giants. They think that God was displeased by these creatures, and that they had something to do with the flood and not just people.

    Every time someone finds a skeleton of a super tall person, or anything like that, they try to say that they have found giants. But there is no evidence of a tribe of giants or anything like that.

    When Whooly Mammoths were first discovered, Christians put the skeletons together as a standing human type thing, with the tusks as giant shoulder blades. And they said they had found the race of Giants.

    Just wanted to let everyone know this is a thing.
     
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    A lot of Christians like to think "Buddha was just a copy cat of Jesus" to explain away Buddhism, whenever someone mentions that Buddhism is more Peaceful than even the new testament, and Siddhartha (the first Buddha) never mentions God. Most people don't understand the teachings of Buddhism, but if you want a quick picture of it, Buddhism explains that a person who says "You did X to me" or "You took X from me" will be angry, but the person who lets go of these thoughts will not be angry. If you let people treat you the way they do, and do not worry about it, they will eventually realize that they are doing what they are doing. For example, a lot of people will automatically assume that someone who drinks alcohol is not responsible, or that someone who goes to a Psychiatrist is crazy, or that someone who has long hair is a Liberal, or that someone from Texas is Conservative. People like to get angry at people for no reason, but if you come at things more open, you will not be so angry.

    But back to the point, Jesus came after Buddha. But exist around 500 YEARS before Jesus, and his religion was spread quickly, via Hellenization.

    Then there is Zoroaster. Zoroaster also existed 500 years before Jesus, and possibly even 1,000 years before Jesus. This religion is known for a fact to have influenced Christianity, Judaism, Gnosticism and Islam. For example, this is where the idea of an Angel comes from, they started in Sumer and moved West via Hellenization.

    An example of something we get from Hellenization is the statues in India. Before Egypt and Greek ideas came to India, they had no statues. Then once they got the idea, they started making Statues, and now we see all kinds of Statues. This idea was originally Egyptian, and it was considered to be similar to a Shadow, which contains part of the "Soul". Another example is the "Academy", Plato founded it, and now we use the word "Academy" for all schooling type places. It started with Hellenization. This is also where Museums come from, the first Museum was Alexander the Great's "Musaeum" in Egypt. I have a book called "The Oxford Companion to Classical Civilization" and it is basically a dictionary of all these things.

    And not only did these people and their texts ALL exist before Jesus by hundreds of years, and get spread to Jesus' region by Hellenization. Jesus' family (known as the Holy Family) had to leave when the King said he wanted to kill all babies under 2 years of age, and they went to Egypt and other places.

    People like to pretend Jesus was the first one to do all this stuff, or that he existed in a vacuum with no other religions forming around him, but not only were all of these Hellenistic things going on that we definitely know about, there were also tons of people claiming to be divine at that time, as well as claiming to do things like raise the dead and heal the sick.

    You probably know that Jewish people do not accept the divinity or words of Jesus, which is what makes them Jewish and Christians Christian. And they have good reason not to believe him, the prophecies said the Messiah was going to reclaim Israel for the Israelites, so he didn't fulfill it. But if you look up people like Judas Maccabeus, he actually fulfilled multiple prophecies in the old testament, as well as starting a revolution in Israel.

    Jesus probably existed to an extent (not a God), but, so did all these other people.
     
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    When a Christian sees any kind of God with horns, they automatically assume that it is related to Satan. But when ancient people put horns on something, it was not meant to symbolize that it was evil, it was meant to symbolize the soul or metaphysical aspect of it.

    The word for "Ram" in Ancient Egypt and the word "Soul" in ancient Egypt are both "Ba". So they would depict "Souls" in art as a Ram. Cows and Bulls were also considered very important for a few reasons. Cows gave people milk, and Bulls gave people meat.

    The symbol of horns was no different in Ancient Greece. Alexander the Great can be found on coins depicted with horns, and this was because he claimed to be deity.

    A well known God that Christians automatically assume is Satan is the Greek God Pan. When people see the God pan, they will even say that it was meant to be Satan. This is completely wrong.

    Pan was a God of Nature, and is basically no different than the Christian God. He is considered the God of Mountains, Wilderness and Pastures (so Shepherd God). There are Multiple forms of Pan in Greek myth, so various stories about where he started and what he did in the Myths with which Gods. But mainly he was Wilderness, Nature and the Good and Bad in people. If you were charitable, that was considered Pan. But if you spank you child, that is also considered Pan. If you look up a "Pan Flute" you have probably seen one before. Pan is also where the word Panic comes from, since in the myth he scared the enemy army so that his side could win.

    Pan's religious center was known as Arcadia, this was a place where Shepherds lived, and throughout Greek and European History the idea of "Arcadia" has kind of helped inspire the idea of Heaven. Arcadia was a real place and is a real place, but it is also a concept. "Et in Arcadia Ego" was a famous phrase, which means "Even in Arcadia I..." or "Even in Heaven, I will still..." and then people would paint about the things that they would still do in heaven/Arcadia.

    Pan can be traced back in Vedic tradition to the God Pashupati, so 4000 years old. And he is connected with the God Shiva, because Shiva can also be traced back to Pashupati. So Marijuana, Wilderness, etc used to be one God instead of 2 Gods, but then they separated and one went to Greece while one stayed in India.

    The semi Modern Greek war of independence was partially centered in Arcadia, and Arcadia was the Ancient center of something that was similar to the United States. The same way America is a collection of 50 states working together, the Arcadian league was a Government body that oversaw multiple city-states in Greece. The league was formed when Sparta attacked, and the smaller subdivisions of Arcadia began forming into democratic Groups. So basically Religious organizations and Political parties, but before those things existed. They soon took charge of Arcadia, and made bonds with the surrounding city states to fend off the Spartans, and the only problem they had was Oligarchical governments that were more concerned about their slaves than they were about working with their neighbors, but this was in Arcadia so the Government was overthrown there. When the League was fully formed, they had between 50,000-70,000 men and when they stood up to the Spartans, they Spartans backed down. But eventually there were the Persians and the Romans and the League disintegrated.
     
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    Now that the movie 300 has popularized the battle between the Spartans and the Persians, everyone has heard of it. But there was a similar battle between Athens and Persia. If you remember in the movie 300, the Athenians came to help the Spartans, and the Spartans said "We aren't pottery makers and wood crafters, or whatever, we are Warriors full time". Those were the Athenians, and the Athenians ended up fighting a similar battle.

    The Athenian problem actually started with the Spartans. Athens was very Democratic and Free minded, since their Goddess was Athena, who comes to Earth in the form of "Mentor". So they were very dedicated to education. Sparta on the other hand would leave babies in the snow if they weren't perfect, and if they were alive the next day they got to get raised into an adult. The Spartan God is Mars or Ares.

    So the Spartans were in Athens and they were causing problems. The Athenians didn't know what to do, and they asked the Persians for help. A Persian diplomat came with an offering of Sand and Water, which the Athenians accepted. They did not realize though that when they accepted the offering of Sand and Water, they had given their state to the Persian empire.

    So the Athenians ended up getting rid of the Spartans themselves, and the Persians came and started trying to collect taxes and stuff, and the Athenians told them to (*)(*)(*)(*) off. So the Persians sent an Army.

    This battle is known as the Battle of Marathon, because it was fought in a place called Marathon. And the end of the story here will tell you how this gave us the modern idea of a "Marathon" race.

    The Athenians went to Marathon and set it up much like the Spartans did, but they did not have such a small space, so they used chopped down trees and stuff to make barriers in a similar but larger area, to funnel them in. They also had more than 300 men. They eventually defeated all of the Persians, and one soldier ran back to Athens, which was a 26-ish mile trip (the length of a modern marathon). When he got their he yelled "NIKE!" which means "Victory", then he fell over dead.

    A modern example of "Marathon" can be found in Florida, since it is so close to Cuba, they have a town called "Marathon". The town Marathon is down in the Florida Keys, and there is a 7 mile bridge with 2 lanes that only has water on both sides. It gets you from Big Pine Key, to Marathon Key (Key means Island in Florida for some reason). So the police use this 7 Mile bridge as an easily dependable spot to stop drugs and immigration. If you go to Marathon, you will find City Police, Highway Police, Border Patrol, Wildlife, and State Troopers.
     
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    Most people have heard the name "Alexander the Great", and they recognize the name, but they don't actually know what happened historically that made them remember it today.

    In short, Alexander is remembered for Conquering most of Greece and making it to about India, he was the King of Macedonia, and once he spread Macedonia out so thin, the Romans came in and conquered Macedonia to create the Roman Empire. So Alexander was the first one to connect the "West" to the "East". The time of East and West mixing is known as "Hellenization" and it started with Alexander the Great. One of the key factors in the Hellenistic Era was the Library of Alexandria, which is Library Alexander founded in Egypt, then it was filled with copies of texts from all over the known world.

    When Alexander was young, his dad (Philip II) was known for bringing Macedonia into a "Golden Age". Alexander is literally quoted saying "My father has left nothing for me to do" because he thought his dad had done everything to make the kingdom great, so he didn't know what he was supposed to do. Macedonia had mostly been mountain people and farmers who did not live in "Urban" environments. But Philip II did something different. Instead of just being "King of the Mountain people" (like the modern Taliban still does today in Afghanistan) Phillip II decided he was going to make his people great. Supposedly he was the first one in history to say "Divide and Conquer".

    The way Philip II changed Macedonia is by creating a government system, which he based on Military accomplishment. Philip II was very in to the work of Homer, and he made a structure based on Homer's poems, which was basically like "Brother's in Arms". And the people who were closest to him got to be the owner of the most land (Barons, etc.) in Macedonia. This structure created towns, which become a booming economy and birth rate, which led to tons of soldiers being available... Then Alexander the Great took over, and he was not known as Alexander the Great yet.

    Alexander was tutored by Aristotle until the Age of 16, so he was pretty well aware of the known world, but he thought that his dad had left nothing for him to do. He had joined his father in Campaigning at a young age, and was reported to have saved Philip II's life at one point, but once his father was dead, he spent a lot of time trying to over shadow him. He was only 20 years old when Philip II was assassinated.

    When Alexander first made it to Asian soil, he threw a spear in to the ground and declared that the land was a gift to him from the Gods. The first group Alexander conquered was the Persians, but he treated both their leaders and their dead with respect, so they did not revolt when he took over. He actually began adopting Persian customs, like having people kiss his ring, and the Greek leadership distrusted this, so later he did less of that stuff. His ownership of Persia was sealed when he made it to modern day Turkey where he found what was known as "The Gordian Knot". According to legend, whoever untied the unending Gordian knot was meant to be Emperor, so Alexander cut it in half with a sword.

    From Persia, Alexander basically took over all the land that ISIS is taking over right now. The Levant and Syria. From their he went to Israel, and according to legend the Hebrews showed him a verse in the book of Daniel that said a Greek King would take the Persian empire. In Lebanon Alexander found "Baalbeck" which was a giant ancient Structure, and on top of it he built a temple to Zeus, which became known as "Heliopolis" to the Romans.

    From there he went to Egypt, where he attacked them over and over until he finally broke in. Once he was inside he got an oracle to say he was supposed to be king, and the Egyptian Queen adopted him, so that he would be ruler when she died.

    In Egypt, the Library of Alexandria was established, which spread knowledge from East to West and from West to East, as well as the "Musaeum" which was a place where they collected artifacts all over the world for people to study. Ptolemy was Alexander's General in Egypt, and he is well known for changing Egyptian culture DRASTICALLY. Ex: Apis the Bull God was turned into a man because Greeks didn't want to worship an animal. Cleopatra came from this "New Egypt" later.

    Then he just went East and East, until he made it to Pakistan. In Pakistan he stopped being so violent because the Armies he was fighting were not the same. Alexander's army picked up tactics from all the different people they beat, and they usually beat the other armies by using their own tactics against them or trapping them in their own tactics, but once he made it as far Eastward as India, it was just not the same, and he started talking to tribal leaders to get permission to cross peacefully.

    Eventually his men made him stop because they had not been home for almost 20 years, then Alexander got sick and died in Babylon. He never finished all his plans, and once he was gone the kingdom fell in to Civil war and all kinds of other problems.

    But even though Alexander was gone as his kingdom started to fall, he connected the West and the East forEVER. For example, Buddhist came to the west creating "Greco-Buddhism" and the art of Statue making made its way to Buddhist countries and India, where we still see statues of Gods. Some of us even think that people in India are 'Worshiping Idols" even though their statues are just meant to give them something to focus on here on Earth, but it is not meant to actually be the "Idol God" itself. It is just a statue of the God.

    Before statue making came to Buddhist culture, there were no Buddha statues. Buddha was previously represented by an Empty throne, or Foot prints on the ground, or the Dharma wheel.
     
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    For some reason when Christians talk about history they go from Semetic/Jewish history right up to Greco-Phoenician history, where they completely drop off and act like the world paused. Then they pick up again at Roman history, with the story of Jesus, but some REALLY interesting stuff happened between that time period.

    There was a group known as the Phoenicians, these were the people trading Wine, as well as making the Colors Red and Blue for trade. They made the best Crimson that lasted a long time, and they made the ONLY Blue/Purple, so they pretty much had the market cornered on ancient fashion and art. The Phoenician trade routes were basically the route that Hellenization took to move from Africa to Europe, and there was already a lot of trade between Africa and Europe around 1000 BC. Africa and Europe are not so far apart, and ancient people did not think of them as so massively distinctive as we do. Africa was not even recognized as separate from Asia until around 500 BC, and sometimes the Nile river was considered the dividing point between Africa and Asia.

    But the Phoenicians created so much stuff and spread it to all the other people. They were the first ones to create boats that could go deep in to the Sea or Ocean, which allowed them to Rule the Sea until the Republic of Rome took it from them when one of their boats washed up on a Greek shore, allowing the Romans to copy it and make more. They also invented the first non-Colored glass, and the Languages Latin/Greek, and Hebrew, which became pretty much all of the other languages.

    A prominent Phoenician Kingdom that became one of the most well known enemies of Rome is Carthage. Carthage was founded in Africa by Queen Dido.

    Carthage was an Oligarchy at first (later made a Democracy by Hannibal, then demolished by Rome), where the rich families ruled everything, and they ruled the entire Mediterranean, and even parts of Italy (The Island now known as Sicily used to be African/Carthaginian). From what we can tell, the Phoenicians were very much like Jewish/Christian people, in that they believed the world ran on Fate/Gods Will. So when Rome took the Sea from them, they were not willing to fight to keep it.

    But even though the Carthaginian leadership was not willing to fight for the Sea, there was one Soldier who was a member of a wealthy family, his name was Hamiclar Barca, and he was specifically from the Punic Ethnic group of Carthage who spoke Semitic (Hebrew type) languages. The Punics had a government separate from Carthage, and they ran it as a land owning Aristocracy. So Hamiclar decided to take fate in to his own hands, and he hired a bunch of Mercenaries to keep the battle going. He held a mountain close to the Sea, and this is where he raised his son. This was in Sicily, and Hamiclar led a series of guerrilla wars against the Romans there, this was known as the First Punic war. The leadership in Carthage promised more than they could pay, and a war started against the Mercinaries

    When Hannibal was very young, he ask if he could go overseas to war, so Hamiclar took him in to a chamber with a raging fire meant for Sacrifices, and he held Hannibal over the flames and made him swear he would never be a friend of Rome. When he swore, he got to live.

    At the end of the War, Hamiclar signed a treaty with Rome, drawing borders in modern Spain, the "Hispania". Hamiclar then started spreading Carthaginian influence in to Spain, establishing some towns. When Hannibal was about 20.

    Hannibal's brother in Law, Hasdrubal, took over the operations in Spain and Hannibal continued under him. Then Hasdrubal was killed and the army chose Hannibal to be Commander in Chief, and Mercenaries from all around came to join him because they had heard of his father. He started going around Spain getting all the tribes to pay taxes and offer men as soldiers, and according to a treaty with Rome he was not allowed to cross the Ebro river, which he did not. Eventually he came to an established town known as "Seguntum" which was a an ally of Rome, but since they were on the Carthage side of the river, Hannibal attacked.

    Rome didn't like this, so they went to the Carthaginian leaders in Africa, and they asked them to hand over Hannibal as a prisoner. They said no. Then the Roman diplomat said "Then do you want war?" paraphrased, and the Carthaginian leaders left for a moment to gather and talk, then when they came back they said "You pick".

    So the Romans prepared for war, thinking they had a few seasons, and since the Carthaginians didn't have the Sea they expected that there would be a battle to get the Sea back, and not a giant land force first thing.

    So Hannibal went across Europe recruiting Celtic/Spanish tribes, then he made his way to the Alps. He brought a giant troop of elephants, but during their 3 weeks in the alps, most of the elephants died and according to the Roman historians only 1 was left when he got there (by some accounts, none were left, but he had one in the battles). The alps also took out 1/3 of their men, and in a swamp Hannibal's eye was infected by a mosquito, which caused him to go blind in that eye.

    Most armies would have deserted, but Hannibal took no luxuries for himself. When his men slept on the floor, he slept on the floor. When they were not eating, he was not eating. When he got paid, they got paid. So they stayed with him. When he got to Italy, the Romans were surprised and Hannibal got a quick victory, and all the Celtic tribes started sending their sons to him, because they had never heard of anyone who could defeat the Roman forces.

    The Romans actually thought that they were going to have fun, and they treated the beginning of the war kind of like a sport, where they would take turns going out to fight the Barbarian. But soon they realized that Hannibal was not a barbarian, and that he was killing most of them. Hannibal announced his arrival by going through Roman cities and burning fields, then telling the people "Rome can not help you". Flavius was the leader of Rome at the time, and everyone got angry because he was not able to beat Hannibal, but this was mainly because no one was listening to him. He was the only one that was not trying to fight Hannibal, but instead starve his army away. But he could not do it with the other Romans playing their sport.

    The first major victory was at a river. According to the Roman records the reason they lost was because they did not eat breakfast (lol), but that is just an excuse. What happened was the Romans had a camp that had 2 leaders, the 2 leaders were kind of arguing, so they were taking turns being in charge. And every day they changed who was in charge, they actually changed the entire way the camp worked. So Hannibal picked the leader who was more frantic, and drew him out of the camp. Then had him cross a river, and killed his people as they made it to the other side.

    Then in the next Major Victory, Hannibal completely tricked the Roman army and killed tons of them again. They set up a camp and did not make any fires, so the Romans would not know where they were. Then they got a herd of Cows and tied torches to their horns, and sent them ahead. This made the Romans think that the army was closer than it was, so they ran to the cows and tired themselves out. Then Hannibal attacked from the front, while his brother attacked from behind.

    The most famous battle was the battle of Cannae. Before the Battle, Hannibal was standing with his army of about 50,000 men, who were not well trained, and were not well armored compared to the Romans, who had 90,000 men. One of Hannibal's officers, named Gisgo, came to him and said (paraphrased) :
    "They have so many men, we will surely lose today"

    And Hannibal replied:
    "One thing has escaped your notice. In all their vast numbers, there is not one of them named Gisgo".

    That day Hannibal's 50,000 men killed 70,000 men, and sent the other 20,000 men running. The way the Carthaginians counted their kills was by collecting the rings of high ranking leaders, then they would just multiply the number of rings by the number of men Romans put under a man who wore a ring like that.

    After this Rome kind of shut down. The city of Rome itself was locked down, and people were burying other people alive to try to make the Gods happy. According to historians, pretty much every single person in the Roman empire lost a family member in that battle. The Roman government literally banned the word "Peace" during this time.

    At this time the Romans stopped thinking it was a game, and they listened to Flavius. Hannibal ruled Italy for 15 years while they figured everything out, but eventually the Romans started "sanctioning" Hannibal. This is now known as the "Flavious strategy" a more simple example is burning your fields as you run, so the enemy can not eat from your farms.

    Rome was not exactly sure how to handle Hannibal, but then there was a young Roman named "Scipio Africanus" who everyone would tell "If you battle Hannibal, you will end up in the ground like your father" since his father had been killed in Spain. But Scipio asked the leaders "Why do you fight Hannibal and not Carthage" the leaders said "Cathage is across the Sea, Hannibal is a weeks march from Rome" and Scipio replied "What is Hannibal without Carthage". So they sent Scipio to Carthage, and he used tactics like Trumpets to scare the elephants. Hannibal came back to fight him, and Scipio won. After Tome took Carthage they burned it for weeks, to make sure it would never come back. They crucified a bunch of people, and put everyone else who lived there in to Roman slavery.

    Hannibal was exiled, and helped the Macedonians. Then eventually he committed suicide and in his suicide not he wrote "Now you can all rest, knowing this old man is dead".
     
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    Age has been something that people have recognized as a distinctive thing pretty much throughout history. The way we wait until kids are 16 to drive, 18 to let them buy cigarettes or vote, and 21 to drink, most cultures have had some form of Age system.

    In Ancient Egypt this idea was seen in the Scarab beetle, but since they had temples that were associated with planets, farming, the Nile etc. they gave their kids more direction than "You can drive now, you can smoke and vote now, you can drink now". They actually looked for indicators that showed the kid was going a certain direction, then they would fuel them.

    The Scarab beetle shows us this idea in a strange way. First it starts as an egg inside a ball of (*)(*)(*)(*). Then it hatches and turns in to a larva. Then that larva becomes a beetle. This symbol was also seen in some cultures via the Butterfly.

    The Age systems used to work by religion instead of by Nation, and the Pythagorean system in Greece was similar to the Hindu system found in the Vedas. They have 4 stages of life, the first being from 0-24, The next goes until age 48, and the next goes to 72, then the next goes to death. In India these "stages" are known as Ashram.

    Another system in Greece was Hippocratic, which identified 7 stages. This can also be found in Hindu religion. They had 1 system that was meant to tell you your overall place in society, while another was meant to tell you what you were supposed to be doing. Kind of like a School Curriculum for life, ex: Learn the Alphabet, Math, etc is ages 3-12.

    They recognized that aging came with development and even in ancient Greece they had age limits for holding office and things like that.

    Age created a Class System. Since they had true Democracy in parts of Greece, every single person who was eligible voted for everything. If they wanted to build a new temple, you got a vote. If they wanted to go to war, you got a vote. So being part of the Polis aka Voting body was actually a lot more meaningful than it is now. In America and similar places, we have a "Democratic Republic" and Republics are defined by Plato. Republics are meant to be ruled by "Philosopher Kings" or something similar, and what we do is we have a Democracy where we elect our Philosopher Kings. Then we switch them out every few years.
     
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    Democracy is not meant to be any harder than forming a Tribe, and Democracy is not just meant for Governments. There is supposed to be Democracy inside Religious bodies as well as within Political parties themselves.

    The voting body or city was known as the "Polis", and the Center of the Polis was the Agora. In some places the Agora had elaborate temple structures in order to maintain different functions that the groups did there, but when they first started they were usually as simple as an area marked by Stones as a border. The People would gather at the Agora and cast their votes.

    As the Agora was used more and more, and functions were decided, structures would be built along the edges of the Agora, but the center was usually left as a wide open space for people to gather. the buildings they usually built were Court Houses and Town Halls and stuff. Extended Porticoes were sometimes used so that functionality of the space was not lost in bad weather. Sometimes Porticoes were built pretty much as their own structures, with a line of rooms at the back, which could be used as offices. Statues dedicated to different groups would be kept at these places, so that they could all gather in their individual groups or together.

    The Polis itself was a larger reflection of the Agora. It would start off as a region of land which a group of people claimed as their own, with Borders such as rivers, mountains, etc. and slowly through the democratic process, groups were formed and projects were started, until farms were growing and cities were booming.

    Leagues and Hegemonies operated like the modern United States or EU, or United Nations, in order to get things done between different nations and work together in times of war.

    Eventually the Polis itself became Warlike and only eligible military members could vote, this eventually evolved into what is known as the Police, Policia, or the Polis. During Hellenistic times the Polis became a battle between Rich Oligarchs, and poor but armed citizens.

    Today we can see most of the Polis and Agoras purpose being utilized in Universities, but not in too many other places.
     
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    Archive keeping is an important part of Government and Democracy. If people do not have information from past generations, then they can not make decisions for the future, at least not without running in to problems that would have been avoided if they had information about previous generations.

    In Ancient Greece the most well kept archives were Law, lists of Public Representatives and the Winners of Sporting events. This is not much different from now, except now there is also the occasional story about someone who saves some animals, or starts a homeless shelter, or has an event, etc. But just like today, other records were kept by more specialized groups. For example, Temples were often a place where you could find archives, since the priests and worshipers would deposit anything important there. It would kind of be like if a church started a library, and asked all their members to donate any books they could that were written about Bible history or written by Historical Priests. Over like 100 years, that Church might actually have a pretty cool collection of stuff, even to non-Christians, it would be kind of like a Musaeum/Library of History.

    I personally think that more "Temples" should be made, and more Archives should be kept. Even if it just happens in people's houses, there should be people collecting things like: Books written by people in their town, Books written by people in their family, Books written by Historical Figures, Books written in certain time periods, etc.

    Most Theater, both Plays and Movies, are based on Greek and Roman Plays. Almost every Combination of Good guy and bad guy in almost any environment was already written about in ancient Greece, a lot of people just change the characters and settings to fit modern or even future events, and then make modern movies. For example. the Movie "Prometheus" is just Greek storytelling in Space. Even when it is not on purpose, most movies copy the story-line of existing Greek dynamics. So for an example, I think it would be cool if people who liked movies collected the plays that started the movies they liked, then found other movies based on those plays and put them all together. How awesome would it be to see the progression of a story all the way from ancient Greek telling to modern Movie "Magic".

    Another cool example would be for someone who is interested in the modern Military of America, they could collect books written by people in service, then they could go through all the tactics that were used and the stuff that the people went through, and see if they can find other generals through history who used similar tactics, or Books by people who were under generals who used similar tactics, and then if there is ever a military mind that sees that collection in the future, it could effect the way he does things. Since he may learn something about the humanity behind all the tactics.

    I am pretty sure you could also start with the books written by the last few modern American presidents, then after reading their books branch off into other areas that you notice while reading their books, and then keep copies of Obama's executive orders and any things the next few presidents do, and eventually you would have an archive that could definitely be useful to voters.
     
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    I have talked to people about the idea of Towns, and it seems like a lot of people think it is some sort of magic Craft to start a town. So here are some classifications and Political possibilities that most people don't usually think about.

    Tribe: Tribes are the societies that exist outside of states. The State is equal to the Greek Polis, with its own sovereignty, and ability to join other states in a Union, League, etc. The people come together at the Agora (Capitol Hill in America) to make decisions, this is the state. Tribes are much more loosely governed. Tribes can be a collection of families, or a collection of religious groups, etc. and usually have some form of leader, either chosen based on the Tribes specialty (the best Hunter, or the best Warrior, or the Best Artisan, or the Oldest, etc).

    A Club is a collection of 2 or more people that have come together for some common purpose. A Community is similar, except that is is a looser organization, and usually they just have the same values, not necessarily the same or even similar goals.

    A Gang is any group of friends or a family unit that has a leader. For example, if there is a military family who all look up to 1 Grandpa figure who first joined the Military and started a tradition, that is a form of Gang. It is not an Organized Crime Gang, but it is a form of Gang.

    Townships are the most basic form of Town. In America there are 2 forms of Townships, a Survey Township and a Civil Township. A Survey Township is just a unit of land that has been measured properly by a Surveyor, a Civil township operates like a County, in some states they are treated like a regular "Incorporation" type town. Civil Townships exist in 20 of the 50 states.

    The overall name for Towns, Townships, Villages, Cities, Counties, etc is Municipal Corporation. To establish a town, you need a Town Charter. A Town Charter would be created by/in a State or County Legislature, and the people of that County would Vote for the new Town to be formed. A Town could also Vote to Split.

    Villages are smaller than towns, and are not necessarily Incorporated. Depending on the State, a Village can just be a town that has formed with its own Government Body, but a smaller population than a town.

    A Town is incorporated and follows State laws to form.

    City is really just a big town in most places.

    Counties are Administrative divisions designated by a state.

    Common Law is how we get Laws from Court cases. 2 Modern Examples are:
    1. The Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare
    2. The Hobby Lobby Supreme Court Case

    When the United State Supreme Court makes a ruling, it becomes "The Law of the Land" for all of the United States. This is common law. The reason it exists is this, for example: If you bring a Wolf to town, and no one has ever had a Wolf as a pet there, people might freak out. So the Police might get called, and they might give you a ticket, which establishes a Court Date. Then you have to go to Court, and argue your case, and whatever the Judge decides is the new Law for Wolf owners in your town. Maybe they say you have to give it a muzzle, maybe they say you can't own it without a license, maybe they say you can't own it at all etc.

    Common Law works on all levels. US Supreme Court makes rules for the Country, State Supreme Courts make rules for the State, a County Judge makes rules for the County, and a City Judge makes rules for the Town.

    A Common Heritage of Mankind is something that no one can really own, but everyone can use. Examples are the Ocean and Space.

    An Embassy or a Diplomatic Mission is a group of people from one state/country, who own land in another state/country, and work to establish treaties and accomplish goals in that country/state. Once the Diplomatic mission establishes permanency it becomes an Embassy and the head of the Embassy is considered the Ambassador. Embassy can also just refer to the building or office that the Diplomatic mission is operating from.
     

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