Was Adam supposed to sin in God's great plan?

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  1. Greatest I am

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    Was Adam supposed to sin in God's great plan?

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    There is no celestial God charter in this solar system. The Adam character is no different than King Saul, King David, or the King of Tyre. They also disappointed the Emperor or the chief priest at one time or another.
     
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    Was Adam supposed to sin in God's great plan?


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    So why do Christians blame A & E for Original Sin, given that they could not alter the plan and were made to sin?

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    Good question... that deserves an important Biblical answer.

    First of all... one must know the Biblical definition of "sin" is disobedience of God's commands/laws.

    Adam disobeyed God's direct command not to eat that tree's fruit... so Adam sinned.

    Here is another vitally important part of the answer to your question... as Joseph told his brothers, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good - Genesis 50:20

    When you read the Bible... and especially Old Testament history [that even many Christians unfortunately don't read]... it should become obvious how many times God uses "evil" for "good." Here are just a few examples: Joseph's brothers sold him as a slave to Egypt [later Joseph became powerful in Egypt and saved his brothers.] Even Israel's centuries of slavery in Egypt was good [went into Egypt as an extended family, came out as a nation.] Tamar pretending to be a prostitute to seduce Judah [Tamar and Judah's son was the forefather of King David and Jesus Christ.] God divorcing the Northern Kingdom of Israel [the vast majority of Israelites] because of their sinful rebellion. Then God using Assyria to remove all those Israelites from Palestine [again, most of the tribes and the vast majority of Israelites] and scattering them among the gentiles [the word gentiles means nations] and they became gentiles beginning in the 8th century BC . Later these "gentiles" Israelites became the "wild olive branch" grafted back on the olive tree via Jesus Christ [olive is a Bible symbol for Israel] - see James 1:1 - fulfilling God's promise to Abraham that his descendants would be as the stars of heaven and sands of the sea and he would be the father of many nations which could never have happened in tiny Palestine. These are just a few examples.

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    Not if the command was worth ignoring.

    What if it is a poor command and Yahweh has put Satan there with the task of deceiving Eve?

    If Yahweh was to punish for not following commands, why did he ignore that Adam did not do the first command to reproduce in Gen 1?

    Because Adam could not before eating in Gen 3.

    God would punish the first sin first. So what sin are we talking about?

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    Matthew 7:6
     
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    God does not tempt anyone sin. Adam had a choice. An example of another choice: Navi civilization on Pandora planet. They did not eat from the Knowledge tree (for now).

    If God planned in advance that Adam will sin, then God is guilty, not Adam. A person always has a choice. Is always.
     
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    There is no such thing as human "free will".. the very concept is an attempt by the creature to usurp God's authority and total sovereignty over all His creation. The fact that humans would accuse God "guilty" of anything is just more proof they want to replace God with themselves and judge via their own humanistic laws.
     
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    You do not like dogs, but adore a genocidal prick.

    The choice of a hole Christians and Muslims.

    Great morals for a satanic Christian.

    I see you do not have the balls to argue for the prick you follow.

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    Sure beats adoring a genocidal prick who hates women and gays as much as you do.

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    Scriptures do show that Jesus was chosen before the earth was formed and the potential for sin was created.

    I too find Yahweh guilty.

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    If you had read the Bible, you'd know God has women prophets.

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    In Jewry and Christianity, they are not allowed to speak or teach in the Temple.

    Women that fools will think preached for misogyny.

    1 Tim. 2:11-12 says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

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    Do you want your children to always be beneath you or do you want them to do better?

    The prick you follow wants to make slaves of his children.

    Try the Gnostic Jesus as he tries to free you from reliance and a supernatural genocidal prick.

    How do you justify his many genocides?

    Is that a tool a devil would use or a god who can cure as easily as kill?

    That is a moral question, so run away. You know Christian morality is evil.

    Ask any gay or woman.

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    Then you do not freely believe what you believe.

    Given that; why blame Adam, given that with Satan in Eden, he had no free will.

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    Given that we are all supposed to be doing and living god's plan, and cannot derail it, I agree that Yahweh is ultimately responsible.

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    That far to esoteric for the average bent out of shape gnostic around here.
    JC never said that, making **** up now I see.
    and hand it over to natural genocidal pricks.
    JC never lead a genocide, wtf are you talking about?
    Clearly, that has be why there are no female christians!

    welcome to gias twilight zone
     
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    An all-knowing god would know that. He set his own kids up and got furious at them. That's sadistic, not all-loving.
     
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    I dont know why anyone participates in these bad faith threads, they are not posted to learn, only to ridicule and insult....So very "enlightened"...
     
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    totally!
    100% flame baiting!
    calling someones deity a genocidal prick is light years over the top offensive to those who choose that deity.
    I never heard of JC doing any such thing as certain members accuse JC of doing, and challenges are ALWAYS IGNORED, because its nothing more than flame baiting christians.
     
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    But had better not personally insult anyone! LOL
    Evidently flamebait is fine!
     
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    Paul wanted women to be silent in churches and not to have authority over men [in church or society.]

    If you understood prophets... you'd know that prophets are lone messengers of God whose mission is separate from the organized temple/church and government authorities... because God usually sends prophets at a time when both the temple and the kingdom are living in sinful rebellion against God.

    In the OT, righteous King Josiah [who was read a lost book of God's laws that was discovered during temple repairs] and realized his kingdom was living in sinful rebellion against God. King Josiah sent priests to seek out the Word of God and the priests went to Huldah a woman prophet [2 Kings 22:14-20] and she correctly told them what would happen to king and kingdom. [2 Kings 22 & 2 Chronicles 34]

    In the NT, Anna was a prophet [Luke 2:36–38]
     
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    Do you know why God sent two angels to Sodom before He destroyed it ?

    I'm here to witness evildoers witnessing against themselves.

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    Yeah well the Bible also tells us not to cast your pearls before swine and if they won't hear the message just shake the dust off of your heels and depart.
     
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