Was Trump's equating the US to Putin the most anti-American statement ever by a prez?

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In a recent interview with Bill O'Reilly, donald defended Putin by making an equivalecy comparison with the United States:

    O'REILLY: He's a killer, though. Putin is a killer.

    TRUMP: You got a lot of killers. We got a lot of killers.

    What, you think our country is so innocent?


    In a later interview, retired General Barry McCaffrey said it was the most anti-American statement ever made by a US president:

    RET. GEN. BARRY McCAFFREY: Hallie, I'm actually incredulous that the president would make a statement like that. One could argue that's the most anti-American statement ever made by the president of the United States, to confuse American values with Putin, who is running a criminal oligarchy, who kills people abroad and at home, who imprisons journalists and takes away business property, who shares it with his former KGB agents, who invades and seizes Crimea in eastern Ukraine, this is an astonishing state of affairs. It's hard to know what to think about it.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...rican_statement_ever_made_by_a_president.html

    McCaffrey a retired four star general, served in Vietnam and Desert Storm, and he was twice awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, the Purple Heart three times for injuries sustained in combat, and the Silver Star twice.

    So, do you agree with General McCaffrey that this is the most anti-American statement ever made by a president? If no, which presidential statement do you contend was more anti-American?

    Conservatives pounded Obama as an "apologist". What statements of Obama do you contend was more anti-American, and why?
     
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    No.

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  3. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, you didn't finish the rest of the challenge. Back up your position. What presidential statement do you claim was more anti-American?
     
  4. RiseAgainst

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    See you think I forgot when Barack Obama said that we are not a Christian Nation. I remember that. That is absolute bullcrap and the most an American thing any president has ever said.

    Or how about when he said when the political winds shift in an ugly Direction he will side with the Muslims against America
     
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    Barrack Obama was quoted as saying "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."


    In his book Obama wrote, "(T)he stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

    What makes these statements worse than trying to find moral equivalency with the man who commits assassinations, used video tapes of officials with prostitutes to extort power, who quite probably staged a domestic terrorist attack to create a subtext for war, who has invaded sovereign nations and who has become one of the wealthiest men on the planet through corruption?
     
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    To the OP, I think of Andrew Jackson's refusal to comply with the Supreme Court's ruling in favour of the Cherokee people in 1832 to be the most UnAmerican thing.

    This is popularized by the apocryphal quote "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"
    But was actually the much more yawn- inducing:
    "...the decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate."
     
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    I cannot think of any POTUS who has said anything as bad or even nearly as valid.
     
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    Do have any idea at all that the Constitution prohibits the establihment of religion. So you ckaim that since Obama told the truth hecwas terrible and inAmerican?
     
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    If this came out of Obama's mouth, the left would be clamoring to give him another Nobel prize. What a pile of brown stinky poo this is.
     
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    Putin is a ruthless dictator who uses a facade of elections in Russia. He is also known to eliminate his political rivals. He is a killer.

    The U.S. does have the freedom to dissent and to oppose the sitting president, obviously.

    But don't kid yourself. Bush and Obama were both bloody men. They were killers. They killed tens of thousands of people. The war that we armed in Syria has killed hundreds of thousands.

    We have battle-hardened soldiers and Marines who are killers. Our Navy and AF pilots are killers. Our special forces teams are killers. We have killed civilians.

    So let's face facts.

    Trump actually spoke the truth. Claiming that it was "un-American" is false. It was the truth.
     
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    The problem with Trump's statement is that when we get a confession from the President about the lack of moral integrity of past US foreign policy we rightfully expect this to be a call to reform to a higher level of integrity.

    The problem with Trump's comparison is that he is trying to lay out moral equivalency so he can justify a reduction in integrity to a level comparable to Putin's level. It's almost like listening to a cartoon villain like the Joker.

    There is a lot to criticize about American foreign policy but none of it sinks down to the same level that Putin is at. Even if it does, to try to use that as a justification to embrace Putin and his ways is villainous at best.
     
  12. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You heard fake news.

    Q: Did Obama say we "are no longer a Christian nation"?

    A: He said we are no longer "just" a Christian nation, but a nation of many other faiths as well. A chain e-mail drops that key word and thus changes the meaning.


    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-christian-nation-quote/
     
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    As is quite obvious from the quote, Trump wasn't equating anything to anyone, the OP and the thread's title is nothing more than a lame "When did you stop beating your wife" strawman.
     
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    we are not a Christian nation, common sense, we are a nation of many religions......
     

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