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Not a rebuttal but nonetheless I am objectively correct.

 

It's where most BCers live.

You won't get COVID-19 here...



But you're unlikely to run across anyone, either.

 

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yep that was my point...thanks for finally acknowlegding it

 

That's where 2/3 of BCers live.

 

Good god, you don't have a point, but you're too clueless to understand why.

You won't get the virus here, either...


Death Valley, CA

... but you might get it in Los Angeles.

 

Very true...but LA Is way bigger then Vancover too...that's why there are more cases there...not to mentioned we do much more testing then in Canada

 

And one would expect about eight times as many deaths, cases, etc.

Texas - 577,537 cases; 11,370 deaths
California - 663,669 cases, 12,134 deaths
British Columbia - 4,915 cases, 202 deaths​

Ya think someone dropped the ball? Doesn't anyone take responsibility for the virus getting out of control?

What did BC do? Lock everyone up? No. For about two months they shut down schools, bars, clubs, restaurants were take-out, movie theaters, barbers, hair salons, nail salons, but it was suggested that people get out for exercise. Home Depot, supermarkets, banks, specialty food stores, gas stations, car dealers, take-out and drive-thru dining, nurseries, trades people, computer stores--open.

They may have to cut back on some of the stuff they've opened up--way more than here--and they're now giving out stiff fines for organizers of large gatherings.

It's not too much to ask folks to cooperate during a public emergency. Your everyday rights may be curtailed for the wellbeing of the community. For now, not forever.

We have a crisis because a good portion of Americans stop going out much, and cut back on spending when there's a lot of COVID-19 around. Even if we let every store open, consumer and business spending will be at depression levels. Government will have to inject way more fiscal stimulus than it is now or we'll have a depression.

OTOH, to cut the number of COVID-19 cases we have to cut transmission. We have to do a combination of PPE (masks, etc.), distancing, reducing the number of contacts, and testing and tracing. If we pick our poison of alternatives, we can cut the number of new cases, and then we can get back to people going out and spending money.

Unfortunately, Trump and the Republicans have chosen a model that leads to a recession or depression. Reminiscent in some ways to the beginning of the Great Depression from 1930-33. Democrats have chosen the second option but seem determined to mess up the execution with their social planning.

 

bigger pops with far bigger cities then just one

 

Democrats chose to ignore the virus causing it to get out of control causing their areas to be hit the hardest which sent us towards a recession. It’s a shame it had to happen this way but anything to hurt Trump I suppose.

 

So the miracle is ... What?

I am. Immaterial to the point good.

Also, her feeling good was a miracle? Well if the cure wasn't the miracle, I guess the miracle is that she felt better even though she took it.

 

I don’t care to speculate about the “miracle” because my point stands as objectively true. He didn’t call it a miracle cure, nor is it reasonable to falsely accuse him to doing so as it’s not reasonable to interpret him in that way.

it’s like that time Trump said he was the chosen one and the msm went wild lol. The msm just cannot help but misrepresent him and the circumstances in which he speaks as well as the time he uses. It’s why they are fake news.

 

yep

that wasn’t a cure

 

Yes, you were right about what he said. Unfortunate that that is where your intellectual examination ended.

And their is a lot of lies and obfuscation in the media, which is why I'm glad we have the ability to record audio and video. Makes it much easier to discern the truth.

Then it truely is a miracle that she felt better after taking it. Lawdy lawdy.

 

Vancouver is the fourth most dense city in North America.

Too bad you didn't read and think about the two approaches and how we need both conservatives and liberals to have input in order to have success.

 

You're more concerned about blame than a solution.

As I said:

"It's not too much to ask folks to cooperate during a public emergency. Your everyday rights may be curtailed for the wellbeing of the community. For now, not forever.

We have a crisis because a good portion of Americans stop going out much, and cut back on spending when there's a lot of COVID-19 around. Even if we let every store open, consumer and business spending will be at depression levels. Government will have to inject way more fiscal stimulus than it is now or we'll have a depression.

OTOH, to cut the number of COVID-19 cases we have to cut transmission. We have to do a combination of PPE (masks, etc.), distancing, reducing the number of contacts, and testing and tracing. If we pick our poison of alternatives, we can cut the number of new cases, and then we can get back to people going out and spending money.

Unfortunately, Trump and the Republicans have chosen a model that leads to a recession or depression. Reminiscent in some ways to the beginning of the Great Depression from 1930-33. Democrats have chosen the second option but seem determined to mess up the execution with their social planning."​

Trump is leading us to a depression.

 

Huh?

 

Incorrect, from my perspective thats democrats being more concerned about blame than a solution.

They spent weeks blaming Trump for everything and never offering any solutions, they simply attacked attacked attacked, then complained about how divided we are lol. Trump took action long before any democrat, and they even had to admit it was a good move after spending weeks attacking him for it.

Then Democrats went overboard with the fear mongering leading us to a depression. Like it or not, this is absolutely democrats who did this. It’s their areas hit the hardest because they failed to take it seriously so now we have a massive death toll and horrible economy. Destroyed, by democrats.

 

Well thats the issue that I had, is multiple members on the left and MSM outlets incorrectly claiming he said something that he didnt. This isn’t a vacuum either, as they have done so relentlessly since his election. So yes, my issue in particular is the lies portrayed constantly by the MSM and multiple members of the left who are determined to paint what he says as something that it isn’t. Meanwhile, the same people doing this complain about how divided we are. It’s astounding.

If that wasn’t such an issue...in fact its gotten so bad its the status quo. An accurate report on what the president does has become the Anomaly, while a complete misrepresentation of his words is quite literally the status quo.

That’s an issue I think worth relentlessly taking issue with, especially as those who purposefully misrepresent what he says refuse to acknowledge they are doing it. It’s happening many times here.

 

I'm telling you as an economist we're headed for at least a very nasty recession unless we get rid of Trump, or failing that, get lucky and find a cure or an extremely effective vaccine early next year.

Like I said, you're all about blame.

Hello? We have a huge deficit in both consumer and business demand. It isn't a Democratic plot. Trump's Fed Chairman has implored Trump and Congress to use fiscal policy to prevent further damage to the evonomy.

What's your solution? The Orange Oaf won't likely get four more years if he can't do more than you have in pointing fingers.

 

This is dumb on so many levels. First of all, why does the fact that Trump has undone many of Obama’s policies mean we shouldn’t listen to Obama? I have a feeling that four years from now you will listen to Trump after Biden has undone all of his policies.

Second, what does the attractiveness of Obama’s wife have to do with the validity of his opinions?

 

I dont care about your perceived credentials on the economy, you are not a trustworthy, unbiased source for whether or not our economy was stable or not. Every president, at every point in history is accused by the other side as having an economy thats either poor, or unstable. The reality is, Trump is the one who gave us the best economy we have ever had, and he did so by breaking the trends set by Obama. I’ve seen the nonsensical claims that it was only temporary, yet the only thing that could actually take it down was a global pandemic forcing a lockdown.

Baring that, our economy would have been great to this day.

There will never be a cure, its fantasy. At best we will have semi effective vaccines similar to the flu.

Democrats demonstrated all they cared about was blame for months now. Interesting how you ignore that.

What we have is an economy that was tremendous get crippled by fear mongering. Yes, that absolutely was part of the democrat plot. Many dems said they would love to have an economy suffer to get rid of Trump. They may have gotten their wish, and its pretty disgusting at that.

He probably wont get 4 more years, 4 years of democrat propaganda most likely saw to that no doubt. Nonetheless, even on his way out he has made some great accomplishments that even Biden attempted to take credit for lol. Everything great Trump has done, dems try to take credit for. Then play the blame game due to the china virus, but ofcourse they blame no one but Trump, despite their own catastrophic failures.

 

Biden wont have the power to undo the things Trump has done. He can try though lol.

 

Now that you've listened to him, what did he say other than he hates Trump and you should too?

 

I cited the Federal Reserve Chairman, Jerome Powell. If you don't believe me, to a search on Powell. He's Trump's choice.

Geezuz, look around. Go by an airport. Hotels are empty. Stadiums, too.

Here's actual spending...



Do you understand that reducing consumer spending this much will create a depression?

The economy was better in the 1990s under Clinton and 1960s under JFK and LBJ.



The last three years under Obama were about the same as the first three years under Trump.

We don't know if we'll have a cure or an effective vaccine.

Bad me--I'm looking for solutions.

Well, the economy is what I reported above from official sources--about the same as Obama and not as good as Bill Clinton.

A rather shameful claim with no basis in fact. I was around teachers for decades and I never heard anything like that from even the most ardent union members.

You will have an extremely difficult time winning if you don't come up with a national plan to get the new coronavirus case rate wayyyyy down. People want answers, not finger-pointing.