Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

Cops are afraid to do their job, because one little mistake will find them charged with a crime and facing prison time.

 

I have heard it. It's like saying that the people who planned, instigated and perpetuated a bank assault should not be punished because the majority of people who were in the bank weren't there to rob it.

They just have no way to defend the criminal action, not just of the insurrectionists, but of the main instigator: Donald Trump. Which is the only one they actually care about.

 

The statement you quote is idiotic. The guy went out to kill as many people as he could, and NO "good guy" stopped him from accomplishing that.

What stands out in all your responses is how every time you want to avoid debating the points posters make, you fall back to criticizing either the religion, or the nationality, or country of origins, or the language that people speak, or where they live...

 

I have a total disconnect on that last sentence. I can usually put myself in somebody else's moccasins but that one doesn't lend itself to anything I can even remotely understand.

The Orange Monster hates them too. EVERYONE only exists for the purpose of his exploitation and manipulation. Why would anybody with an ounce of self-respect and a modicum of pride about their country be cool with that?

 

What's idiotic is someone using their thoughts to spin what was said in the opposite direction. My point is and was very clear, these guys could've saved lives, they were scared and when they went in none of them were shot and the f'ing killer ended up dead. They should've went in over an hour earlier. Now you want your political fantasies penned fine, don't try to twist my words, it's dumb argument. As far as debating, the video is what the cops did, I responded to your video not your political diatribe. Step up, do better it's embarrassing.

 

Why is it limited to Bruen?

As to the courts decisions:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/machine-guns-second-amendment-ruling_n_57769b2ee4b09b4c43c03f30

 

Screenshot for those rushed for time.

 

I disagree. My own experience, 2nd time diving down 60', ran out O2 and comfortably swam to dive master, and buddied up to decompress and surface. I enjoy being in the toll plaza testing equipment, sandwiched between 2 high speed lanes with laden trailers buzzing by with a foot of room on each side. Bunny jumped, but when I sky dived, it was much different looking down at 9k' . Want to go again to see if I can conquer that fear.

 

Bruen blew that out of the water, along with the rest of the NFA.

 

Just a silly perspective.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...-abe-was-simple-make-analysts-say-2022-07-09/

 

They vote for what? To outlaw guns?

Lol. The amount of logic missing is simply astounding.

So, we are going to pass laws to restrict or outlaw guns, and that will fix the problem because laws about not murdering people didn't?

Good lord.

I can't believe some of these people vote.

 

Anybody with any level of rational would have been able to connect the dots.

You don't need a gun to kill people, as has been proven.

So being angry about guns... is just silly.

 

I asked you this before but you dodged it so I ask again.. How did the shooter get stopped?

Here is the problem you're trying to make a counter argument against the saying that the only way to stop a bag guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.. And using this tragedy to try and make that point, except that the bad guy got stopped by a good guy with a gun.. so this story is a colossal failure to try and push your anti- gun ideology

This tragedy points out that the anti-gun people are completely wrong and using this tragedy makes your points weaker. To convince pro 2nd amendment people to give up guns means that they are now putting 100% of there safety into the police hands, the same police that wouldnt even save children.. So anyone "one the fence" with gun control vs gun rights is going to lean more to the gun rights side of things the more you point to the complete failure of the government with protecting children..

You really didnt think this one all the way through did you?

 

More nonsense! The dictionary makes ZERO difference to the children who died! Be it because their guns jammed, or because they didn't know how, or because they were cowards, or because they were on the side of the shooter... it makes no difference. For whatever reason, these "good guys" with guns could not protect them.

 

NOT normal. School shootings are almost unheard of in countries that have rational gun legislation. Even LESS normal to expect teachers or common citizens to arm themselves and carry out the task of defending them.

NOTHING "normal" about any of this.

 

Dreadful, they should have stormed the place but if they genuinely believed the armoured door was locked and they couldn't enter that would be a different matter.

 

Too true, if the officer who had the suspect in his sights had shot the gunman before he'd entered he'd have been prosecuted for murder.

 

... they were scared and THEREFORE they couldn't save lives.

That's how your post should have ended.

Expecting that the next set of "good guys" WON'T be scared, and betting the life of children on that premise instead of just making it harder for the shooter to get a gun, is idiotic and irresponsible. And it will continue to cost the lives of many many people.

But that's just reason and logic. You're not here for that, are you? You're here to figure out if there is somebody you can criticize because they're a Jew, or because they were born in a country you don't like, or what language they speak. So on with that, and leave reason and logic to those of us who are here to discuss serious topics.

 

This thread is about stopping people who kill with guns. If you have a proposal about how to stop people who kill by hitting another on the head with a hammer, or by giving them Covid, or... anything else... open your own thread. Do not derail this one.

 

I really have no idea how you arrived at any of the above. Yes, it is terrifying that some vote — thankfully many of the absolutely insane ones will be exiting the voting poll soon to be replaced with the same people that grew up with active shooter drills.

 

I no longer speak to whomever you're responding to. Is that comment about the police officers being scared? What does that have to do with anything?

 

Yet, they are gung-ho about marginalizing other people's right to vote. /smdh

 

How often are police charged with murder for accidentally hitting an innocent bystander unless there is negligence involved?

 

I didn't answer that?

He didn't get stopped! The children and teachers are dead!

If you are planning on making some stupid argument by which "stopping" means AFTER he already killed those he was seeking to kill, save it. Not interested... The solution I'm discussing refers to stopping a shooter BEFORE people die.

 

Let me make sure I am understanding this. These <whatever the hell you call them - my choices are all bannable> are making excuses for the Uvalde police officers relative to the mass shooting there?

Is that what kind of post you are responding to?