Watchdog report finds FBI not motivated by political bias in Trump probe

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  1. Paul7

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    The Fed poured money into the economy during Obama's time, why no record low unemployment and consumer confidence?
     
  2. Nemesis

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    *LOL*

    Where? This sounds like more made up stuff.
     
  3. Nemesis

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    Yes, it does. The finder of fact gets to make credibility determinations.

    Where do you come up with this crap?
     
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    Problem for you is only assumption and zero facts.
     
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    Wrong again, my extremely skilled trial lawyer amigo.

    *LOL*

    The witnesses and all of the documentary evidence = a fake president soliciting foreign help illegally in the 2020 election. Yay, 'merica!
     
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    Wrong again, my extremely skilled trial lawyer amigo. You've tried as many cases as my cat has tried.

    *LOL*

    The witnesses and all of the documentary evidence = a fake president soliciting foreign help illegally in the 2020 election. Yay, 'merica!
     
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  7. Paul7

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    All hearsay, and the one fact witness said Trump told him he wanted no QPQ. Unlike Biden.
     
  8. Nemesis

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    *LOFL*

    Please tell the forum what you think "hearsay" is, learned counsel.

    You have zero idea what "hearsay" is and how it's applied.
     
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  9. Paul7

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    "Information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor."
     
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    They act like google doesn't exist. These basic terms can be researched. The nuance of using them may or may not be within an individual's grasp. But english is english.
     
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    They get all obtuse at convenient times.
     
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    Google isn't going to give you the answer. 30 ****ing years of experience will.

    How many cases have you tried?
     
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    Here is a great summary of the FISA abuse scandal:

    https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12...-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/

    "In sum, the IG Report documents multiple instances in which the FBI – in order to convince a FISA court to allow it spy on former Trump campaign operative Carter Page during the 2016 election – manipulated documents, concealed crucial exonerating evidence, and touted what it knew were unreliable if not outright false claims.

    If you don’t consider FBI lying, concealment of evidence, and manipulation of documents in order to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign to be a major scandal, what is? But none of this is aberrational: the FBI still has its headquarters in a building named after J. Edgar Hoover – who constantly blackmailed elected officials with dossiers and tried to blackmail Martin Luther King into killing himself – because that’s what these security state agencies are. They are out-of-control, virtually unlimited police state factions that lie, abuse their spying and law enforcement powers, and subvert democracy and civic and political freedoms as a matter of course."

    "If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"
     
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    talk to me on Nov 4 2020. Champ.
     
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    I don't need 30 years of experience to say: 'X person said this, it turned out it wasn't what X said. Therefore X lied.' It's not hard.
     
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    Yeah, you think hearsay and presumption = fact. Sad.
     
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    Your headline is extraordinarily misleading. watch the testimony
     
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    Horowitz didn't rule out bias, just that he found no documentary evidence, like what, DOJ stationary with someone saying 'Let's get Trump'?
     
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    I think that testimony and documents are evidence. You don't understand your own claims.
     
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    I corrected that false claim earlier in this thread. He specifically referred to documentary evidence as well as what witnesses told him (together with logic and reason) to conclude that Bonespurs and his sycophants are full of ****.
     
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    Guess you didn't watch the IGs testimony. He made no determination either way. The report was damning of the FBI and it happened under Comey's watch. It was so bad he is opening investigations in to other departments to see if it is endemic.

    So you are left with two choices. Either the FBI worked in bad faith, or it is totally incompetent. Which is it?
     
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    Apparently you do, and apparently it's quite difficult for you.
     
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    I did. Those are not the only conclusions that a reasonable and experienced person can reach.

    It must hurt to live in a black and white world.
     
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    You are right and why Durham made a statement to clarify for the public.
     

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