You can criticize Israel (My Country) all you want... you can generate all the HATE in your body against it... you cannot however stop someone here to find an antidote against your condescending, baseless, insulting emotional slurs.
Yes, HB, it is your Nemesis. I am just passing through .... I have no reason to stay because nothing is new. Your OP confirms this by posting exactly the same reasoning as you did when you quoted a video by Prof Eugene Kontorovich about a year ago ... as "An expert on international affairs. Watch and learn" I watched Kontorovich and was able to show factual references to historical documents which proved beyond any doubt that the "expert" was a liar. If you need a reminder, here it is: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288011&page=14&p=1062314633#post1062314633 Examples of his utter trash were: # At the League of Nations meeting "the whole world voted for and approved the Jewish homeland". The Whole World!!!! Balderdash!! # "All of the mandate was to be used for the creation of a Jewish State". A blatant lie. The mandate catered for the creation of a Jewish homeland within the State of Palestine. # "The mandate borders are THE BORDERS". More drivel. The territory designated to hold the Jewish homeland was modified with full League of Nations arrpoal. The "expert" is clearly nothing of the sort. # "Britain was supposed to turn over the keys to the Jews". In his dreams!!! Liar. # etc., etc, etc. And now you are back, repeating the drivel. But you are still being watched. We KNOW that Israel is guilty of Apartheid application, of genocide, of theft, of gross violations of Human rights, of dozens of invasions which it blames solely on the Arabs, of displacement of 70% of the indigenous occupants of what is now Israel, of lying, misleading and many other violations of democratic principles and human rights. And we know it not because of hatred, but because the facts of history tell us so; the documents fully support our view. MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!!! Have a nice day. Happy Easter.
Generalisation. Balderdash?????????????????????? Your Balderdash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was NEVER a state called Palestine... Palestine was a designation of Southern Syria... Go open a book!!!
There is no evidence that ALL of Palestine or even all of Palestine west of the Jordan, was intended for a Jewish state.
Dear Readers, and interested researchers, I have reproduced the PREAMBLE and the 28 Articles of the Mandate for Palestine in here for ALL to read. I am sure this will be an eye opener for some, and to all those who still believe that the State of Israel was <created> when in reality it was RECONSTITUTED. LONDON: PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY’S STATIONERY OFFICE The Council of the League of Nations: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph , it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations; Confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows: Article 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate. Article 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. Article 3. The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy. Article 4. An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country. The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty’s Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home. Article 5. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power. Article 6. The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. Article 7. The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. Article 8. The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine. Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned. Article 9. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights. Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders. Article 10. Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine. Article 11. The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land. The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilized by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration. Article 12. The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits. Article 13. All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed. Article 14. A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council. Article 15. The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief. The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired. Article 16. The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality. Article 17. The Administration of Palestine may organize on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defense of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine. Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine. The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies. Article 18. The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area. Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia. Article 19. The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property. Article 20. The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals. Article 21. The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations. (1) “Antiquity” means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year A. D. 1700. (2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat. Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery. (3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity. No antiquity may leave the country without an export license from the said Department. (4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed. (5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorized by the competent Department. (6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest. (7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds. ( The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find. Article 22. English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic. Article 23. The Administration of Palestine shall recognize the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities. Article 24. The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report. Article 25. In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18. Article 26. The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. Article 27. The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate. Article 28. In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honor the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities. The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League. Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two. Certified true copy: For the Secretary-General, RAPPARD, Director of the Mandates Section.
[MENTION=62867]Ronstar[/MENTION], et al, Ronstar is correct. (COMMENT) There is not such evidence of any authority. In fact, the evidence of the original intent is quite the other way. The Allied Powers had the intent to extend protections to a culture that had historically been persecuted throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. It was an effort to protect and preserve a culture in distress. But the phrase "Jewish National Home" was not to be interpreted as a "Jewish State." While establishment of a Jewish State is one way in which to achieve a National Home, it was not the only way; or even the preferred way. The post-WWII concept of a "Jewish State" was a product of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP). But it had been shuffled around for more than two decades prior; it was not an original thought of the UNSCOP. It turned out to be a majority recommendation later on in its presentation to the General Assembly. But even then, it was clear that it was a Partition. Most Respectfully, R
Netanyahu on Fatah-Hamas Reconciliation: ‘Whoever Chooses Hamas Does Not Want Peace’ APRIL 23, 2014 5:07 PM 16 COMMENTS Author: ~Joshua Levitt Benjamin NetanyahuHamas-FatahMahmoud Abbas Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal (L) and PA President Mahmoud Abbas. Photo: Jewish Policy Center. Israeli Prime Minisiter Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday evening addressed the evolving news that the two ruling Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, are seeking to form a unity government, reminding the world that Hamas is “a murderous terrorist organization that calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and which both the United States and the European Union define as a terrorist organization.” In a statement, Netanyahu said: “I said this morning that Abu Mazen needs to choose between peace with Israel and an agreement with Hamas,” which he described as above. “This evening, as talks are still ongoing about extending the negotiations, Abu Mazen has chosen Hamas and not peace,” he said. “Whoever chooses Hamas does not want peace.” Earlier on Wednesday, Netanyahu said about Abbas: “He has to choose. Does he want peace with Hamas or peace with Israel. You can have one but not the other. I hope he chooses peace, so far he hasn’t done so.” Israel’s Foreign Minister Lieberman also weighed in on the Hamas-Fatah reconciliation. “Abu Mazen must decide if he wants to make peace, and if so, with whom,” he said. “It is impossible to make peace with Israel as well as with Hamas, a terrorist organization advocating for Israel’s destruction. Signing an agreement of a Fatah-Hamas unity government is tantamount to a signature on the end of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.”
Another Emotional Exclamation denude of any substance but just another frivolous outburst. You want Israel to sit with <INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS CALLED HAMAS> to make Peace? As a Czech you must have wished then, to sit with Nazis and make Peace I presume?
BREAKING: After Palestinian Authority embraces Hamas, Israel suspends peace talks. This news arrives on the heels of yesterday’s Palestinian unity agreement between Fatah, which governs the West Bank, and Iran-backed Hamas, which refuses to renounce violence or even recognize the right of Israel to exist. The U.S. and its allies have been unequivocal in rejecting the presence of terrorists or terror-linked officials in the Palestinian Authority. Reports are already emerging that Congress and the White House are backing Israel's decision. As Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated, “whoever chooses the terrorism of Hamas does not want peace.” The Israel Project has produced multiple fact sheets and held briefings with diplomats, lawmakers, and journalists. Just this afternoon, TIP held another conference call for more than 50 journalists, policymakers, and activists. We need your immediate help to ramp up our outreach efforts and get the right information to as many people as possible. Please, make a donation to TIP right now - even $50 will make a difference. Thanks for stepping up, The Israel Project
Utterly predictable. Netanyahu doesn't want to play and has taken his ball home. Another clear example of Israel avoiding peace talks. This isn't the first time Netanyahu found an excuse.
Hamas could state tomorrow that they will recognize Israel's right to exist within the 1967 borders, and Israel still won't want to talk to them. Israel wants land...not peace.
Israel talked to them number of times (Gilad Shalit anyone?), and Hamas still dont want to recognize Israel as a Jewish homeland, even after they announced their cooperation with the PA couple days ago they (=Hamas) said that they dont support nagotiate with Israel. Even in the Declaration of Independence it was written that Israel would be happy to cooperate with neighboring countries.
Israel has no legal grounds to settle the West Bank. The UN voted in 1947 to partition Palestine into a Jewish State and an Arab State, and the Jews accepted this division. The UN then in 1949 accepted Israel as the Jewish state called for in UN res. 181.
Israel like many other countries in the world do not sit with <INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS> to make peace. Terrorists are confronted and eliminated!!! Check your now British History!!! - - - Updated - - - This is wonderful news... What else do you know that forces us not to sit with <INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS>?
What is it that you don't understand? We sat down with the IRA, thrashed out an agreement, and peace is the result. Killing terrorists simply adds to the cycle of violence. Why are you so against peace? Oh, and Israel has no right to settle the West Bank. None whatsoever; neither legal, moral, archaeological or historical.
You make peace with your enemies, not your friends. Israel will have to sit down with the Palestine Unity Goverment if they want peace. that's IF they want peace.
Israel has no legal grounds to settle its civilians in the West Bank. They only have legal ground for military occupation.
Ronstar, et al, This is --- as least in part --- correct. (COMMENT) Everyone is aware of: ICRC GCIV Article 49(6): The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. Article 8, 2b(viii): The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory; And of course, as a matter of "strict compliance" without philosophical thought further, it is a "prima facie" case for an international violation. There is much more to the "occupation" then is generally discussed. There are many questions. Most Respectfully, R
Exactly. As Israel is almost exclusively reliant on reserves those reserves need to be situated as close to their place of duty as possible hence, the line between civilian and military is erased or blurred making all settlements into homes for military or reserves or at the very least support facilities for same. The only cut and dried way out of this is for Palestinians to drop the deliberate targeting of civilians, embrace UNGA 181 and take the destruction of their neighbors nation off their Charter, bite the bullet and make peace.
There is no difference except in semantics. The IRA was quite content to attempt to bring down the establishment by bombing the Brighton hotel Margaret Thatcher was staying at, and wanted Britain out of Northern Ireland in exactly the same way that Palestine wants Israel out of the Occupied Territories. Ultimately both sides came to the realisation that they were getting nowhere and talks resulted-talks with no pre-conditions. Like I said, both Israel and Palestine could well take a leaf out of Britain's book when it comes to negotiations.
Uh huh. And do you know how many of the squatters are reservists, or is this simply another transparent excuse? http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...lement-price-tag-idf-palestinians-nablus.html Looks to me as if the squatters aren't too keen on the IDF.
