We need Universal Background Checks

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how is a background check "harrassment"?

    ive had several NICS checks and I get approved in 3 minutes.

    that's not harrassment, its time for me to check my email.
     
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    Bull. The overwhelming majority of people "prevented" from buying guns are "prevented" because of mistaken identity or commonality of names. Unconstitutional infringements on their rights.

    You wouldn't know dangerous if it walked up and slapped you across the face.
     
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    a stupid appeal to authority.

    how are you going to enforce private sales background checks?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL!! I appealed to no authority.

    I appealed to the wishes and desires of the American people.
     
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    1. It's finding an FFL who will actually do private sale background checks. It's not mandatory. In Colorado not all FFLs will, and some on only on certain days of the week, and if you live in a more rural area, it might be a 50 mile drive.
    2. It can cost upwards of $50 to pay for the background check and transfer, and taking $50 out of my pocket to check to see if my CCW holding or cop badge wearing friends are prohibited persons is harassment in my book.
    3. It's a law that cannot be enforced.
    4. In Colorado, checks use NICS and CBI databases, and on gun show days the time can stretch into hours. Heck, during panic buys I've had checks stretch out to 10 days.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    background checks in New York State cost $5.


    oh the horror!!!!
     
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    Wrong. Most of those "prohibited gun buyers" were actually honest citizens erroneously stopped because of name commonality or even because they had security clearances.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    baseless nonsense
     
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    Simple truth, Ron, whether you like it or not. I've worked at a gun store, and I can tell you that ten denials were overturned on appeal for every 1 that blocked an actual criminal.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL!!!!

    really funny and pathetic how you guys cant discuss the issue but instead insist on attacking me.

    really, really sad. But expected.
     
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    We don't have enough ATF agents to arrest the 55,000 actual criminals who commit a felony trying to buy a gun and give the government their name and address, and you think that we have enough to conduct random stings? It's the prohibited buyers they out to be trying to arrest.

    Since stings can't possibly catch sales between friends, what is the purpose of making sales between friends a crime?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    blame the GOP, who refuses to fully fund and staff the ATF

    they hate the ATF and want it destroyed.

    just ask @Turtledude
     
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    The ATF shouldn't exist.

    The government actually was ready to disband it, but when word of it reached the heads of other agencies they informed Justice that not one other agency wanted any part of being forced to hire ATF agents due to their unprofessionalism, arrogance, and contempt for fundamental Constitutional principles. Since they couldn't just release the agents, they left the agency in place; more's the pity.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    background checks are supported by the American people.
     
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    Don't delude yourself, Ron. You don't represent the American people in any way, shape, or form.
     
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    In Colorado, the background check plus the transfer fee can run up to $50 depending upon the FFL and how much they want to do them.

    There were three other points in my post. By ignoring them, you're not debating the issues, either.
     
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    the ATF was created by FDR to employ the agents who no longer had a purpose after prohibition was ended
     
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    Exactly so. They were created for spurious reasons and continue to exist for spurious reasons. It's time to disband them; most ATF agents aren't fit to wear the badge.
     
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    Given that, why do you think they'd be effective at sting operations? Why not focus them on catching the 55,000 felons each year whose name and address we already know?
     
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    Why did Maine vote down UBCs? Why did every county in Nevada except that where Las Vegas is located vote down UBCs?
     
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    they would respond to online and newspaper ads and make sure a NICS check is performed before the sale.

    if no NICS check is performed, guy gets a big fat fine
     
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    Politifact isn't about facts, but political agendas. Anyone who claims 97% support ANYTHING in this country is lying through their teeth.
     
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    Oh, that'll stop criminals from getting guns all right. That's much more important to our safety than arresting the 55,000 felons every year that we actually catch with a background check.

    What about the millions of transactions that they miss? How would those be enforced after the fact?
     
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